skyth
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Post by skyth on Mar 22, 2024 11:15:46 GMT -5
Immigration is under the umbrella of foreign relations, which is the purview of the Federal government. Why? The Texas law is not about agreements or policy between the US and Mexico, it is about a crime which occurs entirely on US territory. Texas is not setting any conditions for Mexican citizens entering the US, they are merely changing the enforcement that happens when a person violates federal immigration law (the agreement/policy between the US and a foreign country) in Texas. If it's not their law, they don't have standing to enforce it. Not saying that the Dred Scott isn't worse, but that this law is along the same thought process, thus the comparison is valid. I could see the current Supreme Court ruling that freedom of speech (And the rest of the amendments other than the 2nd Amendment) only applies against Federal laws using the established 'State Rights' argument as how it was originally written...
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 22, 2024 15:58:19 GMT -5
The whole situation is that the Feds are enforcing the law, but Texas doesn't like how the Federal law works, so they made their own. Do you think State Laws can over-ride Federal laws within the state? It isn't overriding federal law, it's acting in addition to federal law. AFAIK nothing in the Texas law prevents the federal government from imposing its own penalties for violations of federal law.
And that's still getting off topic from your claim that a minor procedural ruling is comparable to the Dred Scott decision.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 22, 2024 16:04:43 GMT -5
If it's not their law, they don't have standing to enforce it. The whole point of the Texas law is that Texas now has a law to enforce. It is not even remotely along the same thought process. The Dred Scott decision ruled that black people are non-citizens with no rights and intended to be permanent slaves. The Texas law merely creates state enforcement of immigration laws, doing nothing the federal government doesn't already do. You can speculate on that but it has nothing to do with the actual case here. Texas is only enforcing laws with long precedent of being constitutional in principle, the only dispute is over exactly which level of government gets to enforce those laws. Even if Texas wins all they gain is the ability to do what the federal government already does.
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skyth
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Post by skyth on Mar 22, 2024 16:08:22 GMT -5
Both Dred Scott and this law are heavily rooted in racism. Thus, comparable on that level.
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Post by easye on Mar 25, 2024 9:53:22 GMT -5
That is .... a take I guess. Enjoy it. Ultimately, what you and I think doesn't really matter. It is what the Judges will ultimately say. No point us going around and around on it.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Mar 28, 2024 12:18:57 GMT -5
Joe Lieberman has passed away.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Mar 28, 2024 12:34:59 GMT -5
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Mar 28, 2024 12:49:27 GMT -5
At least the "Mothman did it" conspiracy theory is more lighthearted, instead of that unhinged far right drivel.
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Mar 28, 2024 12:52:47 GMT -5
...it looked like an entirely unremarkable collapse. A big ship lost power and drifted into a support pillar, bridge falls over. To be frank, 6 deaths on a US road incident is a Tuesday. If this was a conspiracy it was done pretty rubbish to crash at 01:30am... I'm aware that the loss of the bridge will have a significant impact on travel and there will be an economic cost to this, but the loss of life could have been much worse and US society comfortably tolerates this level of road deaths.
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Post by adurot on Mar 28, 2024 15:23:34 GMT -5
Sir, that boat Clearly steered directly into the pillar. Also the entire crew was foreigners! Black Swan!
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nfe
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Post by nfe on Mar 29, 2024 4:20:44 GMT -5
If this was a conspiracy it was done pretty rubbish to crash at 01:30am... Ah but the point was to create an infrastructure project that justifies labour immigration, not to kill people! Honestly, conspiracy theorists are really having a renaissance. Our own constant stream of Princess Catherine being dead and replaced with AI generated videos or lookalikes is equally embarrassing.
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Mar 29, 2024 5:26:06 GMT -5
If this was a conspiracy it was done pretty rubbish to crash at 01:30am... Ah but the point was to create an infrastructure project that justifies labour immigration, not to kill people! Honestly, conspiracy theorists are really having a renaissance. Our own constant stream of Process Catherine being dead and replaced with AI generated videos or lookalikes is equally embarrassing. Admittedly the Royal Family handled that one terribly when they released an obviously-photoshopped image...
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Post by easye on Apr 3, 2024 9:53:24 GMT -5
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Post by pacific on Apr 4, 2024 4:48:53 GMT -5
...it looked like an entirely unremarkable collapse. A big ship lost power and drifted into a support pillar, bridge falls over. To be frank, 6 deaths on a US road incident is a Tuesday. If this was a conspiracy it was done pretty rubbish to crash at 01:30am... I'm aware that the loss of the bridge will have a significant impact on travel and there will be an economic cost to this, but the loss of life could have been much worse and US society comfortably tolerates this level of road deaths. Apparently the captain of the vessel immediately called through the power failure (within a minute of it happening) - wasn't aware it was going to result in the boat striking the bridge at that point, and the power could have returned, but that was the safety policy and he called it immediately. They were then able to close access to the bridge to further traffic, so it could have been a hell of a lot worse.
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skyth
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Post by skyth on Apr 8, 2024 8:46:57 GMT -5
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