CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Mar 19, 2019 17:09:45 GMT -5
Or they'll get a multi-year extension, a new government, and a proper referendum, one that would soundly defeat Brexit.
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 20, 2019 10:48:22 GMT -5
A week from friday is the brexit date... Been reading the BBC... looks May is scrambling to try to get her deal voted again for a third time...has ran into major procedural issues. Eeech... looking like a hard brexit is coming eh? Yep it got hit big time. Well 3rd vote would have failed anyway. But now she's asking delay for up to 30 june when she has been told don't do that(eu elections) to get her deal done(when she has been told that is not enough reason) and French president is rumoured to say no for such extension. No wonder. Result would be same in the end with more time wasted. Interesting point. If no deal happens meat export both ways halts. Neither side has health&safety inspection for meat that other side recognizes so it would be illegal to take meat other side.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 20, 2019 11:05:47 GMT -5
Either no deal or no Brexit. I got a hunch it's going to be no Brexit, second referendum to save face. But never underestimate the stupidity of people.
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 21, 2019 5:07:27 GMT -5
Either no deal or no Brexit. I got a hunch it's going to be no Brexit, second referendum to save face. But never underestimate the stupidity of people. Nah with May as pm and hardline brexiteers ensuring she won't be kicked out before no deal is done won't happen. Either she's insane level of stupid and is leading into no deal by stupidity or it's been her goal all along. Either way this has been visible for years.
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Mar 22, 2019 15:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 23, 2019 2:43:50 GMT -5
A) that depends on 3rd vote failing B) third vote may not happen if may feels it hasn't got enough support C) wether they will vote for it anyway is another thing. Especially by those who got voted to house by leavers Wouldn't hold my breath on that. Also indicative votes don't result in legally binding results
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Mar 25, 2019 10:56:30 GMT -5
A) that depends on 3rd vote failing B) third vote may not happen if may feels it hasn't got enough support C) wether they will vote for it anyway is another thing. Especially by those who got voted to house by leavers Wouldn't hold my breath on that. Also indicative votes don't result in legally binding results Wasn't the whole Brexit vote in the first place sold as advisory and not legally binding? Or am I mis-remembering. Apart from vague sloganeering, has any pro-Brexiteer actually advanced potential legitimate upsides to Brexit? All I've seen are reports of thousands of jobs and millions in revenue lost.
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 25, 2019 11:09:08 GMT -5
A) that depends on 3rd vote failing B) third vote may not happen if may feels it hasn't got enough support C) wether they will vote for it anyway is another thing. Especially by those who got voted to house by leavers Wouldn't hold my breath on that. Also indicative votes don't result in legally binding results Wasn't the whole Brexit vote in the first place sold as advisory and not legally binding? Or am I mis-remembering. Apart from vague sloganeering, has any pro-Brexiteer actually advanced potential legitimate upsides to Brexit? All I've seen are reports of thousands of jobs and millions in revenue lost. Well yes but may made it binding in her mind. And now she's telling goverment won't consider these binding anyway. Likely so may gets to run brexit into no deal crash. She either is idiot or is doing that deliberatly as her red lines makes it impossible to have working deal. No 3rd vote this week either as not enough support to pass. Goverment also against ammendments giving mp's more control. Though rumour is expecting it to pass anyway. Uk goverment is in total chaos. Well. This was easily predicted years ago As for benefits...blue passports!
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 25, 2019 12:15:30 GMT -5
Hmmm maybe i was wrong or may had hell of a slipup. Unless this agrees to it no deal will not happen. Could be like vote for may deal. If not passed vote for long delay. If not or eu rejects vote for cancel brexit or no deal brexit
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 27, 2019 15:23:06 GMT -5
May said she will quit if deal passes. And now toriees are rushing in with Boris in charge. Boris who has been super critical of deal but when he sees pm position for grab...
Dup is still against but could be close. Especially if dup abstains.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Mar 27, 2019 15:25:26 GMT -5
PM Boris? The man is a joke. What the actual fuck, UK?
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 27, 2019 17:03:25 GMT -5
PM Boris? The man is a joke. What the actual fuck, UK? Well he's not selected but that's position he's aiming so if voting for deal he has called disgrace puts pm's seat open... In other news dup is dead set against deal and with only 25 confirmed to change for deal from 75 needed may's deal has small chances. Indicative votes were zero help. 8 options, none got majority. People's vote was most popular(and more than may's deal...) with aiming to join custom union with eu 2nd but neither got more yes's than no's. No deal brexit had 100 vs 400 minority but revoke a50 if no deal got only marginally better support... It's a bloody mess with last hope's pretty much smashed. Can't see no deal brexit being avoided. And whatever happens majority mp's are unhappy.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Mar 28, 2019 8:42:26 GMT -5
So... I keep hearing that the "no deal" brexit date is the law. Meaning, if parliament can't agree with the EU for a "softer lander"...this is happening hell or high water?
Is that right?
I thought PM May had the authority to delay the date at the minimum...
That round-robbin voting yesterday was something else.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Mar 28, 2019 10:57:48 GMT -5
I imagine the people who make the laws in the UK could quite easily change the law if that was the case. Unfortunately (and this is all hearsay, but it sounds very plausible) there are quite a few powerful people who have hedged on the UK crashing. Their profit and in some cases ideology requires a no-deal Wrexit.
It's the same model that has been applied to many states over the world. Crashing the economy can be good if you are already wealthy and ready to capitalize on the misery.
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Post by tneva82 on Mar 28, 2019 13:32:17 GMT -5
So... I keep hearing that the "no deal" brexit date is the law. Meaning, if parliament can't agree with the EU for a "softer lander"...this is happening hell or high water? Is that right? I thought PM May had the authority to delay the date at the minimum... That round-robbin voting yesterday was something else. Uk can ASK for delay. But eu can deny and if they want past 22.5 will unless uk takes part in eu elections. If they don't it risks eu goverment ending in situation they can't legally do their work. Eu has granted delay to 22.5 if deal pass. If not shorter to 12.4. May now tries to get just withdrawal law passed to get that delay(tomorrow is deadline) with nonbinding future goal declaration left out. Legal trickery as it was ruled they couldn't bring same proposal for vote 3rd time, needed to change it. Unilaterally uk can only cancel it. Delay requires every eu country to agree Uk having ability to delay on their own is not possible. If uk does not take elections yet are member after eu has goverment that according to eu's laws can't do. All members have to have mep's. Uk wouldn#t have. And what to do with uk's mep positions given to other countries? Legal mess. Ergo now on 11.4 they need to decide do they wantbrexit, even at no deal, or ask for long extension at which point they must agree to vote for Own mep's.
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