herzlos
Ye Olde King of OT
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Post by herzlos on Mar 12, 2023 10:46:23 GMT -5
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nfe
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Post by nfe on Mar 12, 2023 11:23:10 GMT -5
Yeah that's not in any budget outwith hard sciences.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 12, 2023 13:30:56 GMT -5
Clearly Elmu has decided that the academia market is less desirable than maximizing revenue from advertisers and dictatorships.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 12, 2023 13:46:00 GMT -5
I really don’t know how anyone can look up to Musk these days.
He’s clearly incompetent, and were it not for generational wealth would likely have wound up in a lifelong career as a Johnny No-Stars at McDonalds.
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Post by pacific on Mar 15, 2023 4:56:33 GMT -5
The 'kompromat' thing definitely has a ring of truth to it, as we know Russia has operated (and continues to operate) in that way in the past. And it lines up with the Russian bot farms apparently being largely repurposed to aid with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the attempts to make 'no aid to Ukraine' a right-wing pivot point.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 15, 2023 5:09:56 GMT -5
The 'kompromat' thing definitely has a ring of truth to it, as we know Russia has operated (and continues to operate) in that way in the past. And it lines up with the Russian bot farms apparently being largely repurposed to aid with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the attempts to make 'no aid to Ukraine' a right-wing pivot point. Right-wing AND left-wing. Don't forget vile scum like Codepink and Grayzone. And it's not just internet agitprop. I've had people from a French far-left party insist of explaining me why we shouldn't support Ukraine militarily. I told the guy we were not in agreement and he should drop it. He insisted. Half an hour later he clearly regretted not dropping it and wanted nothing more than to end the conversation lol. Sad bastard.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 15, 2023 5:17:39 GMT -5
The 'kompromat' thing definitely has a ring of truth to it, as we know Russia has operated (and continues to operate) in that way in the past. And it lines up with the Russian bot farms apparently being largely repurposed to aid with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the attempts to make 'no aid to Ukraine' a right-wing pivot point. Or, they simply offered a stack of cash to the greedy prick. Never underestimate the sheer banality of evil.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 15, 2023 5:20:58 GMT -5
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Post by pacific on Mar 15, 2023 5:25:52 GMT -5
Yes, that is very true. Although the right-wing support has more of a real-terms impact due to the power and prominence of right-wing/populist parties across Europe at the moment; the UK, Hungary, Turkey etc.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 15, 2023 5:27:56 GMT -5
It's less impactful, but in a way it's way more disheartening. Like, I thought these guys were at least well-meaning. Obviously not, just scum.
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Post by easye on Mar 15, 2023 10:20:50 GMT -5
Bothsiderism is classic Russian psy-ops.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 15, 2023 11:49:53 GMT -5
I don't know if they get paycheck from Putin or are just volunteers/useful idiots/genuine believers in Putinism.
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Post by pacific on Mar 16, 2023 6:05:52 GMT -5
It's less impactful, but in a way it's way more disheartening. Like, I thought these guys were at least well-meaning. Obviously not, just scum. I think sometimes this is a criticism that can be validly aimed at the left, that principles are sometimes maintained to the exclusion of all else and then so meet a wall of reality. Quite often the intentions come from a good place - pacificism, not wanting to kill people in war, not wanting to risk WW3 and the end of civilisation. All of those are worthwhile directives and principles, but in a lot of cases I have found they are poorly applied to someone like Putin or other bad actors. Trying to appease him, shake hands, 'meet in the middle' or otherwise ignore exactly what kind of person he is and his intentions - doing all of this through several presidencies has lead to nothing but an invasion of a sovereign state, the deaths of thousands, and arguably a much larger threat of nuclear annihilation now than if he had been treated with the aggression he deserved in the past. Germany (and actually much of Europe) trying to pretend that he was a good-faith actor has now resulted in the big risk to energy security, for example.
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Mar 16, 2023 6:09:32 GMT -5
Yes, I appreciate that. I am a pacifist, but I know you have to be strong to maintain peace or the bad actors will roll you up. Sweden and Finland have a good approach to this IMO.
There is a great quote on this from the show The Dragon Prince, need to dig it up.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 16, 2023 6:45:25 GMT -5
Quite often the intentions come from a good place - pacificism, not wanting to kill people in war, not wanting to risk WW3 and the end of civilisation. Yeah no sorry those don't come into play unless you add a whole fucking lot of ethnocentrism that makes you not look up the context of a war of aggression. They would never react the same if it was their own country being invaded by genocidal maniacs. Or even just a country close, geographically and culturally, to theirs. No good intentions in "I'm willing to sacrifice those pesky Ukrainians for my own conscience". Just plain disregard for foreigners' lives.
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