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Post by El Cosmico on Nov 29, 2012 22:44:23 GMT -5
So I got a used copy of the Foundation Trilogy for cheap and HOLY SHIT, how much did GW rip off directly from this book? I'm nearly done with the first book, and with every page I turn it's another 'wow, this is in 40k too!'
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Post by Great Cthulhu Himself on Nov 29, 2012 22:57:45 GMT -5
Asimov more or less single-handedly founded what we consider to be modern science fiction. Why are you surprised?
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Post by Toromalfred on Nov 29, 2012 23:00:35 GMT -5
So...have you read Dune?
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Post by El Cosmico on Nov 30, 2012 11:41:48 GMT -5
I have. At one point I made the effort to read what people had said is the basis for everything in 40k. I didn't like it very much. Foundation, though it started slow, is a much more interesting read.
And it's not so much surprise that people took stuff from Asimov, it's the lack of distance between the Foundation and 40k. I mean, at least TRY and hide it a bit.
Then again, Sly Marbo. My argument is invalid.
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Post by Toromalfred on Nov 30, 2012 13:04:38 GMT -5
I have. At one point I made the effort to read what people had said is the basis for everything in 40k. I didn't like it very much. Foundation, though it started slow, is a much more interesting read. Thou art dead to me. |
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Post by Whirl on Nov 30, 2012 14:34:01 GMT -5
And it's not so much surprise that people took stuff from Asimov, it's the lack of distance between the Foundation and 40k. I mean, at least TRY and hide it a bit. This. Stuff was taken from Dune, but the "wow, this is 40K without the GW spin" feeling is so fast and furious with Foundation, it's insane. Seriously, the AdMech is so much the Foundation it's painful. |
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Post by Dickfor on Nov 30, 2012 18:25:43 GMT -5
Canticle for Leibowitz also plays a lot of influence, IMO, to 40k (Also an interesting read).
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Post by Just Lorek on Nov 30, 2012 20:23:33 GMT -5
I guess I'll finally have to break down and read the Foundation trilogy. Off to add it to my Amazon Wish List.
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Post by syaireba on Nov 30, 2012 20:56:36 GMT -5
Canticle For Leibowitz is part of the holy trinity of early post-war sci-fi, including Foundation and Bradbury. Herbert and Heinlein pretty much seal the deal and can be alternated with the aforementioned EXCEPT Asimov, who is Vin Diesel for your brain.
And GW haven't an original thought in their measly heads.
And if you really want to see Foundation in a game, read any of the background to Battle tech...
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Post by El Cosmico on Dec 1, 2012 13:13:53 GMT -5
I did go through Starship Troopers, but haven't touched anything else by Heinlein.
A friend of my recommended Hyperion but Dan Simmons. Anyone read it? Also, I need to read more Gibson. I was also pointed towards Count Zero.
Other suggestions?
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Post by syaireba on Dec 1, 2012 13:41:32 GMT -5
Read Neuromancer before Count Zero. Phillip K. Dick is also essential reading. Banana Yoshimoto for more modern magical realism...
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Post by El Cosmico on Dec 1, 2012 21:22:18 GMT -5
Oh, Neuromancer's one of my favorites. That first line...
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Post by fellblade on Dec 1, 2012 23:01:20 GMT -5
Stop it with the nostalgia for two-fisted engineers building their mighty spaceships and haring off to explore Galaxy Z.
Go read 'Rapture of the Nerds' by Stross & Doctorow.
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Post by Hellfury on Dec 3, 2012 0:02:04 GMT -5
I read Hyperion Cantos a little over 20 years ago when it came out. My mom recommended it to me, which is huge because she reads Hitchcock and King. It was a bit obtuse for me at the time, along with being a very long read.
John Varley's Gaea trilogy (Titan, Wizard, Demon) is a pretty special and unique piece of Sci-fi that is rather grossly underrated. Highly recommended. Do not read anything about the series, just read the series itself. There is a narrative that gets spoiled by knowing anything at all about the books before reading them.
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Post by Hellfury on Dec 3, 2012 0:12:56 GMT -5
Not much beats Herbert for me though. I even liked a few of the house prequel books the son made. Bu overall the culmination of the story that was hinted at the puzzling end of Chapterhouse Dune was not anything that satisfied. it was rushed and contrived and I think I would have been better off sticking with the Herbert canon of 6 novels.
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