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Post by semipotentwalrus on Jul 3, 2019 19:09:36 GMT -5
Which leads us to the burning question at the core of the entire issue: what, in your opinion, is it about the previous policy (what you call an "open border policy") that is intolerable? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm trying to find out where our assumptions diverge.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:12:18 GMT -5
You have standards for who you let in your home? Right? That's quite an interesting comparison, because I HAVE FUCKING STANDARDS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE CAN SAY IN MY HOME and yet you shit me about freedom of speech ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . “It's my home I make the rules” works only in one case and not the other? I'm talking about physical standard... not speech silly bloke. But a large segment of the political sphere, mostly democrats, is arguing that we shouldn't have a border. Pants.On.Crazy.Yo. Tough tiddies. I'm an illegal immigrant... my rights trumps yours. Am I doing this right Baron/dusa/wolfie??This isn't the holocaust nimwit. You're doing a disservice to that memory. Good for her. |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 3, 2019 19:15:46 GMT -5
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:15:48 GMT -5
Which leads us to the burning question at the core of the entire issue: what, in your opinion, is it about the previous policy (what you call an "open border policy") that is intolerable? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm trying to find out where our assumptions diverge. Protectionism. Any country should devise up standards as to who can legally come into our country, whether it's for vacation, temp work, school, etc... Open borders nullifies that control. I don't want this "Freedom of Movement" that the EU has if that's the basis you're coming from. |
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Jul 3, 2019 19:17:30 GMT -5
That's laying out what you want, but not why.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:18:12 GMT -5
Most are trying to migrate here in search of "better life" or economic reasons. Woah that seems like such an immoral thing to do. “The pursuit of happiness” is so un-American! They're not Americans yet. Get in line. We have a legal immigration process. Stop conflating illegal migrations to legal immigrations. Huh? You might get tarting response back from me in this case. That's dumb. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:19:50 GMT -5
That's laying out what you want, but not why. The *why* is literally that. We should have rational immigration policies, that is, knowing who comes into our country and why. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:21:40 GMT -5
You have standards for who you let in your home? Right? Well, in YOUR case I might make an exception to this, but generally if their options are I let them in or they die, well, come on in guys. THere's a process to vet that out Baron. Those legit cases, yes, let them in. Do you not believe that, in addition, this process is also being abused? |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 3, 2019 19:22:24 GMT -5
I'm talking about physical standard... not speech silly bloke. What? I don't understand what you are saying. But a large segment of the political sphere, mostly democrats, is arguing that we shouldn't have a border. No. Zach Weinersmith is. Can't wait to read his argument. No mainstream politician does, though. Tough tiddies. I'm an illegal immigrant... my rights trumps yours. Am I doing this right Baron/dusa/wolfie??If what you are saying is that because you are an illegal immigrant, my place will magically become bigger so that there is enough room to play 40k, all I'm saying is… please come to my place illegal immigrant, my place will become bigger and I'll be able to play 40k there, what kind of a scumbag xenophobic piece of shit I would be if I refused this awesome improvement to my place just because I hate foreigners! This isn't the holocaust nimwit. Sure. It wasn't the holocaust then either, if you asked people like you. I mean, plenty of those immigrants would die if they went back… but they wouldn't die of the holocaust, so it's an acceptable death. |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 3, 2019 19:24:44 GMT -5
Huh? You might get tarting response back from me in this case. I'm pretty sure if they push the right button, you'll never let them in your house again. What about that freedom of speech Whemb? What, you don't believe that some of Trump's fan hate immigrants, and like that he hurts them? REALLY? |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 3, 2019 19:26:22 GMT -5
Any country should devise up standards as to who can legally come into our country, whether it's for vacation, temp work, school, etc... On the same ground, any country should devise standard as to what can legally be said, whether it's publicly, in private, etc… |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:27:49 GMT -5
Any country should devise up standards as to who can legally come into our country, whether it's for vacation, temp work, school, etc... On the same ground, any country should devise standard as to what can legally be said, whether it's publicly, in private, etc… ...and? |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:33:29 GMT -5
I'm talking about physical standard... not speech silly bloke. What? I don't understand what you are saying. You're trying to pull in Freedom of Speech as if it's synonymous to freedom to come to the US? Am I wrong? You're missing the Democratic presidential primaries then. Multiple candidate has argued that those illegally crossing the border or overstaying visa should NOT be a criminal offense. That's how the "concentration camp" thinks about this border crisis we have. Are you ignoring my previous posts that legit asylum cases should stay? Also, are you ignoring that most asylum cases are denied when adjudicated?  *last stats*  The abuse is when captured, the illegal migrants claims asylum in the hopes that they'd be released to the public with a "promise" to come back to get adjudicated. Many do not go back and remain in the states. It's *this* abuse that I'm talking about. Not legit claims. |
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Post by dusa on Jul 3, 2019 19:33:37 GMT -5
All you have to do is look at the totality of the situation these families are going through: abandoning everything, risking the life and safety of their kids, knowing that they can be injured, killed, raped, kidnapped, left for dead, and anything else including knowledge of the detention centers we put them in after separating them from their families. Knowing all of this, it comes down to two viewpoints:
These families are putting so little value on the lives of their children that they are using them as disposable pawns just so they can game the system and get admitted to a country where they will still be at the bottom of the food chain for anything.
These families are coming from a situation where all of the above is the positive alternative to staying put.
But hey, welfare millionaires and crap. Gotta save money to give $16 billion to farmers hurt by tariffs.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Jul 3, 2019 19:41:55 GMT -5
All you have to do is look at the totality of the situation these families are going through: abandoning everything, risking the life and safety of their kids, knowing that they can be injured, killed, raped, kidnapped, left for dead, and anything else including knowledge of the detention centers we put them in after separating them from their families. Knowing all of this, it comes down to two viewpoints: These families are putting so little value on the lives of their children that they are using them as disposable pawns just so they can game the system and get admitted to a country where they will still be at the bottom of the food chain for anything. These families are coming from a situation where all of the above is the positive alternative to staying put. But hey, welfare millionaires and crap. Gotta save money to give $16 billion to farmers hurt by tariffs. Then we need to stop giving them easy incentives when they believe they can abuse the system. Furthermore, it's the Chamber of Commerce (a Republican entity) that WANTS open borders/liberal immigrations. It's CHEAP labor for them. Hell, a few months ago BERNIE SANDERS recognized this: www.politico.com/story/2019/04/08/bernie-sanders-open-borders-1261392Because even HE realized that if you want a strong progressive policies with general welfare system, you can't have open border policies. But now? I'm curious in the current political climate if he'd "evolve" in this view... |
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