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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 17, 2019 8:54:55 GMT -5
Woooooah woah woah there, don't move the goal posts. No one said "the process has stopped!" Instead, we said "immigrants in concentration camps aren't getting their day in court." Let's put those goalposts back where they belong, ok? Moving on from your blatant dishonesty there: mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/ and (It's weird how you always use these REALLY awful sites to try and back up your claims, like every goddamn time. First it's "the radio show", then it was a nazi site, now it's an extremist anti-immigration site with ties to white nationalism?) But lets move past that for a moment. Nowhere does this give proof that the migrants in the concentration camps are actually getting days in court. Not a single shred of evidence of a single one of them getting a day in court, a hearing or anything similar! It's just garbage about the courts and how there are cases being processed. Here, I'll do your job for you I guess since I found something: www.texastribune.org/2018/06/27/immigrant-toddlers-ordered-appear-court-alone/and and of course it's got the stupidest defense This also makes it clear that the people getting days in court are the exception, not the rule (and ignores that they're not actually unaccompanied) So there you go, that's the most proof we have that anyone from a concentration camp is getting a day in court, and it's literally in the worst possible way, and only applies to children, not adults. You got anything that's a reliable source that says otherwise? Something that shows immigrants in concentration camps actually getting a day in court? |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jul 17, 2019 11:06:16 GMT -5
...unilateral removal of civil rights without due process or notification, no requirement to produce evidence, and virtually no way to appeal it. THAT is unamerican to me. Literally the concentration camps, then. The detained people are actually being given a day in court and their due process rights though. Not fast and not pretty, admittedly. ..... I was responding to your claim that a Dem would "unilaterally" snatch up your shootin' irons, "without due process or notification" and with "no requirement to produce evidence", and you would have "virtually no way to appeal it". Which, as we have established, is precisely the predicament you would be in if an ICE officer found you near the border and decided you needed 'internment'. Now, I'm just a filthy godless socialist from Canuckistan, but it seems plain to me that holding persons for an indeterminate amount of time in a disease ridden, overcrowded, dirty concentration camp with virtually no due process or appeal is worse for the general level of 'freedom' in a country than the ability to carry around a tool which express purpose is to be able to make multiple people 100s of yards away from me not alive with the twitch of a finger. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 17, 2019 12:22:31 GMT -5
The ability to shoot people has long been more important to republicans than basic human rights.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jul 17, 2019 12:47:37 GMT -5
The ability to shoot people has long been more important to republicans than basic human rights. Indeed. They like to pretend that the ability to shoot people is a basic human right. |
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Post by tannhauser42 on Jul 17, 2019 13:13:25 GMT -5
It's because they believe the the right to shoot people is vital to maintain all of the other rights. The US today is not what it was 200 years ago, and I think a lot of people need to rethink about what rights are important in today's world, what rights actually mean, and what should be rights now that aren't.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 17, 2019 13:44:59 GMT -5
It's because they believe the the right to shoot people is vital to maintain all of the other rights. The US today is not what it was 200 years ago, and I think a lot of people need to rethink about what rights are important in today's world, what rights actually mean, and what should be rights now that aren't. We can't do that! It'd probably lead to socialism, and that's bad for reasons! |
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Post by dusa on Jul 17, 2019 13:51:03 GMT -5
And, again, it’s important to note that immigration court is not actually a court.
It’s an administrative hearing within the executive branch of the government, with none of the rights that come with appearing before a judicial court of law.
Which is why we get all those instances of people simply not letting ICE inside houses or cars, because they usually don’t actually have court orders signed by a judge.
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Post by carlo87 on Jul 17, 2019 15:02:15 GMT -5
yeah, I know. I am one and I'm well aware of that time period. I'd still not call it racism. Definitely a form of bigotry though.
Regardless of what you want to call it, do you agree that Trump's comments were bigoted/racist/whatever? Yes, Yes I do. His tweets were an embarrassment. I just like to sticking it to him with totally verifiable facts. Otherwise we get what I call the "Mark Fuhrman Effect".
The "MFE" is when false-facts get pointed out so much that the truth gets thrown out as well. Namely, I think OJ Simpson is a murderer, and that Fuhrman faked evidence. His faking likely contributed to OJ's acquittal.
Keeping calm and only pointing out true failings go further than nitpicking how disrespectful Melania's high heels are.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Jul 17, 2019 15:02:34 GMT -5
I'll just point out that Mr. 'Guns are more important than people' tried to incite a violent situation at his place of employment in the vain hope of getting to commit justifiable homicide, because his feelings were hurt.
So the fact he has these views shouldn't be a shock to anyone at this point.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 17, 2019 15:13:59 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for his proof that people are getting their day in court.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jul 17, 2019 15:26:45 GMT -5
I'll just point out that Mr. 'Guns are more important than people' tried to incite a violent situation at his place of employment in the vain hope of getting to commit justifiable homicide, because his feelings were hurt. So the fact he has these views shouldn't be a shock to anyone at this point. What/who are we talking about here? |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 17, 2019 15:36:04 GMT -5
I'll just point out that Mr. 'Guns are more important than people' tried to incite a violent situation at his place of employment in the vain hope of getting to commit justifiable homicide, because his feelings were hurt. So the fact he has these views shouldn't be a shock to anyone at this point. What/who are we talking about here?
As for giving out my physical location, I'm not too bothered by it. A coward like you doesn't have the balls to do anything with that info anyway. I'd like it if you did though. I'd love the excuse to place a chunk of lead in your dome and laugh afterwards.
just gonna link the post, Carlo tried to be a tough man giving out GPS coords, and it gradually shifted from "lets have a fight" to "I'm gonna put a bullet in you." |
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Post by carlo87 on Jul 17, 2019 15:42:18 GMT -5
What/who are we talking about here?
As for giving out my physical location, I'm not too bothered by it. A coward like you doesn't have the balls to do anything with that info anyway. I'd like it if you did though. I'd love the excuse to place a chunk of lead in your dome and laugh afterwards.
just gonna link the post, Carlo tried to be a tough man giving out GPS coords, and it gradually shifted from "lets have a fight" to "I'm gonna put a bullet in you." Just to clarify Wolfblade's lies here, Lonestarr777 twice stated he was going to shoot me before I stated that I'd perform self defense. |
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Post by dusa on Jul 17, 2019 16:34:41 GMT -5
We all know everyone here has a giant dick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 17:28:15 GMT -5
It's because they believe the the right to shoot people is vital to maintain all of the other rights. The US today is not what it was 200 years ago, and I think a lot of people need to rethink about what rights are important in today's world, what rights actually mean, and what should be rights now that aren't. I'll point out that the Trump administration is a sterling example on why the right to Keep and Bare Arms is still relevant today.
Oh, and dusa, my dick is average. My right nut is exceptionally large however. Waiting for surgery on that.
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