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Post by A Town Called Malus on Aug 23, 2019 12:41:26 GMT -5
Could you elaborate on this a bit? Just listen to the current crops of Democratic presidential candidates. Pick one. How could any of anything they are saying be more terrifying than Trump claiming to be the second coming and cancelling a diplomatic visit because the country he was going to visit didn't want to talk about selling a part of their country they never said was for sale? For all of the faults you perceive in them, at least they are rational, capable of reading, listening and learning and live in the real world. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 23, 2019 12:57:19 GMT -5
Just listen to the current crops of Democratic presidential candidates. Pick one. Why does Biden 'terrify' you? Obama 2.0  Seriously, he's one of the least scariest of the candidates to me. So, he's more of a "mixed bag" for me. I'd still say that if he's the candidate and he runs an "okay" campaign, he'll defeat Trump handily. But, the primary is a dangerous time for Biden because he'll have to track to his left to appease the loud leftist/liberal base of the party. That "stink" my damage him in the campaign. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 23, 2019 13:01:31 GMT -5
Gabbard appears slightly to the right of Obama. But her personal views on abortion and LGBTQ+ rights are still horrible, even if she abandoned them for political opportunism. The fact that she goes along with the garbage anti Muslim stuff such as 'extreme vetting' and does the religious freedom shtick so beloved by Christian fundamentalist groups is scary as fuck. Then you don't even get into the Assad and Putin stuff.
She is a bad choice for a mainstream Democrat. She isn't a Hawaiian democrat, she is a Democrat because she is from Hawaii. I'm glad she doesn't stand a chance.
Surprised the Ryan-Iran support isn't a dealbreaker.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 23, 2019 13:01:50 GMT -5
Why does Biden 'terrify' you? I'm curious to hear this as well since in 2016 he said he would happily vote for Biden over Trump. Before the Kavanaugh hearing and the Covington kid story, there were a real possibility of me voting for Biden. (on a personal level, I "like" Biden as a person.) Afterwards? Man... all they have to do is not be ridiculous. And they can't even do that. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 23, 2019 13:07:58 GMT -5
Gabbard appears slightly to the right of Obama. But her personal views on abortion and LGBTQ+ rights are still horrible, even if she abandoned them for political opportunism. The fact that she goes along with the garbage anti Muslim stuff such as 'extreme vetting' and does the religious freedom shtick so beloved by Christian fundamentalist groups is scary as fuck. Then you don't even get into the Assad and Putin stuff. She is a bad choice for a mainstream Democrat. She isn't a Hawaiian democrat, she is a Democrat because she is from Hawaii. I'm glad she doesn't stand a chance. Surprised the Ryan-Iran support isn't a dealbreaker. Erm... Gabbard supports very little limits to abortions. Not familiar to her history to LGBTQ+ rights, except that her dad was part of an organization against them in the past? Yeah, I'm not in support of every Tim Ryan's policies, but he does have a good head on his shoulder and doesn't seem like he's a raging ideologue. |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 23, 2019 13:17:07 GMT -5
I'm curious to hear this as well since in 2016 he said he would happily vote for Biden over Trump. Before the Kavanaugh hearing and the Covington kid story, there were a real possibility of me voting for Biden. (on a personal level, I "like" Biden as a person.) Afterwards? Man... all they have to do is not be ridiculous. And they can't even do that. We're back to the Covington kid. Why is this such a strike against Biden, when the Central Park Five is a nothing against Trump? |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 23, 2019 13:24:11 GMT -5
Gabbard appears slightly to the right of Obama. But her personal views on abortion and LGBTQ+ rights are still horrible, even if she abandoned them for political opportunism. The fact that she goes along with the garbage anti Muslim stuff such as 'extreme vetting' and does the religious freedom shtick so beloved by Christian fundamentalist groups is scary as fuck. Then you don't even get into the Assad and Putin stuff. She is a bad choice for a mainstream Democrat. She isn't a Hawaiian democrat, she is a Democrat because she is from Hawaii. I'm glad she doesn't stand a chance. Surprised the Ryan-Iran support isn't a dealbreaker. Erm... Gabbard supports very little limits to abortions. Not familiar to her history to LGBTQ+ rights, except that her dad was part of an organization against them in the past? Yeah, I'm not in support of every Tim Ryan's policies, but he does have a good head on his shoulder and doesn't seem like he's a raging ideologue. She was basically rabidly anti LGBTQ+ rights and anti abortion. She shifted those views politically because having served in Iraq she felt like she shouldn't force her views on people... because you can only learn that in a bloody warzone I guess? Conveniently shifting with the political consensus in the party. Personally she still holds those views as she said in an interview 2 years ago. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 23, 2019 13:42:12 GMT -5
Before the Kavanaugh hearing and the Covington kid story, there were a real possibility of me voting for Biden. (on a personal level, I "like" Biden as a person.) Afterwards? Man... all they have to do is not be ridiculous. And they can't even do that. We're back to the Covington kid. Why is this such a strike against Biden, when the Central Park Five is a nothing against Trump? Its not so much against Biden, but against the Democratic party and their supporters. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 23, 2019 13:44:37 GMT -5
Erm... Gabbard supports very little limits to abortions. Not familiar to her history to LGBTQ+ rights, except that her dad was part of an organization against them in the past? Yeah, I'm not in support of every Tim Ryan's policies, but he does have a good head on his shoulder and doesn't seem like he's a raging ideologue. She was basically rabidly anti LGBTQ+ rights and anti abortion. She shifted those views politically because having served in Iraq she felt like she shouldn't force her views on people... because you can only learn that in a bloody warzone I guess? Conveniently shifting with the political consensus in the party. Personally she still holds those views as she said in an interview 2 years ago. She's anti-abortion? That's awesome. She's anti-LGBTQ rights? That yucky. She's a politician... of course she'll conveniently shift. That's what they *do*. Ironically, Trump was a LGBTQ supporter even before he ran for office. Obama and Clinton (and others) "evolved" while in office, and was given a pass for their past. How does that work? |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 23, 2019 13:53:01 GMT -5
Bionic SOCTUS Ruth Ginsburg just completed a 3 week treatment for malignant pancreatic cancer.
She's going to outlive us all.
On serious note, it looks like it's just one malignant node, so that bodes well for her. Usually this kind of cancer has extremely rapid growth/spreading behavior that once diagnosed, nearly 80% is inoperable.
She's one tough chick.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 23, 2019 14:15:27 GMT -5
She was basically rabidly anti LGBTQ+ rights and anti abortion. She shifted those views politically because having served in Iraq she felt like she shouldn't force her views on people... because you can only learn that in a bloody warzone I guess? Conveniently shifting with the political consensus in the party. Personally she still holds those views as she said in an interview 2 years ago. She's anti-abortion? That's awesome. She's anti-LGBTQ rights? That yucky. She's a politician... of course she'll conveniently shift. That's what they *do*. Ironically, Trump was a LGBTQ supporter even before he ran for office. Obama and Clinton (and others) "evolved" while in office, and was given a pass for their past. How does that work? Of course they shift, yet on certain fundamental issues you would hope they also shift personally. Yeah changing political positions is cynical if its just for votes, but most political positions are not on whether you should consider people to be equal based on sexual orientation. I think the pass works based on the fact that they were never so outspokenly anti gay as Gabbard, paired with the fact that she is from a generation that should know better. I don't think either Clinton or Obama ever basically called being gay unnatural. Note that the anti abortion view is personal, she would never use it politically because that is just suicide. |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Aug 23, 2019 14:16:39 GMT -5
The conversations was about firearms... If the discussion was about firearms, why did you mention money, and not firearms? Also remember what you wrote. “A better question: why do we have such problems with gang/organized crime compared to the rest of the world? Easiest answer? Money.” You somehow never addressed how the data completely contradict your claim that money is the reason, because money exist in all the rest of the world that you are talking about!!! But, all you're interested in is to point out other wealthy cities don't have the same problems. Dude, you are the one who made the comparison to other places first. And I also pointed out some poorer countries have worst that have a worse case of this problem. Your affirmation was stupid, retract it and be done with it! *We* still have violence in our cities. Are you saying money isn't a motivating factor? No. I'm saying “Money is a motivating factor” is as informative as “Water is wet” (no shit, Sherlock? Did it take you a full month to figure that out?). And I don't know if it was your original idea and comparing to the rest of the world was a brain fart, or if you are just conjuring this because you realized that the “It's because the US is rich” argument was dumb af, but in both case you just should admit you fucked up and be done with it. Healthcare is supported by other people's money and other people's labor. Exercising your 2nd Amendment right is nothing of that sort. And I care about this difference this much! Exactly this much! (What, you can't see it? It's too small?) So, it's fucking lunacy to say "if I could choose, I'd choose free healthcare instead of the 2nd amendment" because those are two separate things. I believe health care is a right and owning a gun isn't, but there is no “one or the other”. I could have both or neither ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Do they have education background to go legit? Is there enough social/financial mobility? What are the opportunities (legal and illegal). Do you have inside track to said gangs/cartels/mafias due to close proximity/friend/family? This isn't “money”, this is “socio-economics”. If what you want to say is “There need to be better social mobility, and countries like Switzerland are much better than the US at providing this”, then sure, yeah, that's a worthwhile argument. Argue for solution that will improve the social mobility, you can be sure social mobility is something I approve of. It seems dangerously close to you arguing for some left-wing policies, though, so I don't expect you to go all the way ^^. Because voting for someone doesn't mean you support ALL THINGS ABOUT SAID POLITICIAN. I'm sure weighting the good and the bad though, and if the bad is as heavy as “Will embolden racist criminal cops by not only creating a climate of impunity for them, but even praising them as perfect citizens”, he got to be able to cure cancer and solve world hunger too I guess? I mean, if we're going to apply your deliberation in giving Blasey Ford's accusations some merits, then Bill Clinton's victim definitely deserves the same. Right? Honestly? Not familiar about those because they were before my time, but yeah. Did you forget about how I pointed to multiple cases among French politicians and how some of them were left-wing? Didn't spare them at all. You told me all those case were more substantiated that the Kavanaugh case, without knowing anything about most of them, lol. That was the epitome of bad faith argument. Are you going to tell me that, from now on, you will give Americans shit for voting for a rapist? Just like you dogpile on us for seating an alledged "rapey" Supreme Court Justice? I'm “dogpiling”? WTF? And yeah, I'll even give you hell for deposing the democratically elected leader of Iran, and putting a puppet dictator in its place, causing all the current troubles. Because I can ascertain the likelihood of which political party would advance my preferred policies. That's what it always boils down to. If they tell you otherwise, they're lying. So you don't consider the “embolden racist criminal cops” part of what Trump does part of his policies? Or you agree with those policies? Furthermore, our political leaders are NOT our moral leaders. It's not about what they do in private with Trump. It's about what he does WITH THE FUCKING OFFICE YOU WANT TO GIVE HIM FOR 4 MORE YEARS. If Trump didn't have the presidency he could not pardon anyone. That's why we have pastors/priests/imams/rabbis. lol at believing those guys are moral. But, here's the key: I can separate the man from his policies. Just as I can separate Roger Water's politics ( puke) to his music (yuuuuge pink floyd fan). Roger Water's music doesn't allow him to push his politics, and his politics don't change his music though. All the bad things about Trump? Being a president DEFINITELY allow him to do a lot of harm with things you don't consider policy. Like pardoning and praising criminal racist cops! The direction of the current Democratic party terrifies me much more that the current shitshow that is the GOP party. Hence, most of my voting patterns will be in defensive action in order to keep Democrats from power. (although, I could see myself voting for Tim Ryan or Tulsi Gabbard... but they're not going to be the nominee). Vote independent at least. Then you can't be blame for shit Trump or the Democrats do! If ya'll want to blame me for the bad things that happen. Go ahead. Zero. Fucks. Given. You say that but you don't act like it. Seriously you reacted to me saying that more violently than on me mocking you in much harsher way on other subjects… |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Aug 23, 2019 14:23:24 GMT -5
But, the one thing I'm impressed with her is that she rationally debate her points without constantly denigrating her political opponents. Wrote as a Trump voter… Before the Kavanaugh hearing and the Covington kid story, there were a real possibility of me voting for Biden. (on a personal level, I "like" Biden as a person.) Afterwards? Man... all they have to do is not be ridiculous. And they can't even do that. Come on Whembly, can't you separate the man from his policies? Well no, apparently you cannot do that anymore, lol. And here, it's not even about separating the man from his policies, it's separating other people from the man's policies… |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 23, 2019 15:08:39 GMT -5
The conversations was about firearms... If the discussion was about firearms, why did you mention money, and not firearms? Because I was trying to steer the conversation towards other motivations. Okay. Noted. I can be surprising. No. Its a simple calculus of evaluating the pros and cons. You can't get any more sparse than Dr. Ford's allegations. Zero corroboration and zero credibilty. Cool. I don't believe he's "emboldening" racist cops. There are policies that Trump does that makes me go Whiskey Tango Foxtrox, and there are others that I'd give support. True. Okay. Exactly. Pardoning Arapio isn't something that is damaging that disrupts the fabric of our society. It's at worst no different than Obama pardoning Bradley Manning (and he's a fucking traitor who put people in increased danger). I did in last election. Yet, ya'll motherfuckers want hang Trump's bad deeds around my neck. What gives yo? Nah... just me shoving it back to you.  |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 23, 2019 15:08:42 GMT -5
We're back to the Covington kid. Why is this such a strike against Biden, when the Central Park Five is a nothing against Trump? Its not so much against Biden, but against the Democratic party and their supporters. Well, okay then, why is the Covington kid such a strike against the Democratic party and their supporters, when the Central Park Five is a nothing against Trump? |
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