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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 20:53:05 GMT -5
I think I just realised who I'm talking to.
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." -Zapp Brannigan Great show. Hilarious character. But hey, that's what they get for not being born like me and having morals.
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Post by sirwinston41 on Sept 3, 2018 20:58:03 GMT -5
Well this shit got off to a flying start already. I do have to question where this tangent of morality came from as the US objectively (in the form of POTUS and lackeys) have exactly fuckall moral standing and grounding. So where is the morality behind separating kids from their parents and locking them in concentration camps? Or treating Vets so poorly that (despite the hero worship bullshit) that many are homeless and they commit suicide in record numbers, how about the morality of bombing the fuck out of poor peasants on the far side of the globe because their former government (that most had no say in at all) once sheltered a bloke who planned/executed attacks on the US? Your supposed moral highground and superior culture is as bull shit as your argument.
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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 21:01:44 GMT -5
So where is the morality behind separating kids from their parents and locking them in concentration camps? Or treating Vets so poorly that (despite the hero worship bullshit) that many are homeless and they commit suicide in record numbers, how about the morality of bombing the fuck out of poor peasants on the far side of the globe because their former government (that most had no say in at all) once sheltered a bloke who planned/executed attacks on the US? Your supposed moral highground and superior culture is as bull shit as your argument. Kids are not in concentration camps. This is a Clinton-Era policy, and all they are doing is ensuring that the children are traveling with a legal guardian. You know, instead of someone selling them as a fuck-doll. You mean those veterans that sit on a backlog because the government keeps appointing incompetents to work at the VA? I'll give you that. Shinseki was a piece of shit that the entire Army loathed, how he was fit to care for our wounded warriors is beyond me. Fortunately he's gone. Now if only we can prosecute the 'staff' that laugh at the dying vets there. "Poor Peasants" with AK-47's and ties to a terrorist organization that killed thousands of our people and terrorized their own? Zero sympathy, I hope it hurt.
Didn't you guys just decide aboriginals were humans in like, the 70's?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 21:03:46 GMT -5
You mean the ones that still laugh about us stacking hundreds of thousands of bodies in a pointless war saying we 'lost to a bunch of farmers'... but they lost an empire? "Allies"- the Soviets have only ever been allies to traitorous Academics that force-feed propaganda. We just didn't want the bloodshed. And no one's as bad as Dakka's mods say. It's really just a bunch of sensitive crybabies that report posts they can't argue with. (And I am being a bit of a shit here. I won't say 'my country is the greatest', but I'd rather not live somewhere else.) Well, points for trying.
The Terrorist in this case was actually the IRA, who waged war on your supposed ally, England, with your financial backing. 'Pub bombings' should have been the give away.
Remember, the US hasn't just backed terrorism in the middle east.
France I basically gave you, but again, they lost an empire while covering your ass. The rest of it they lost mostly due to the US, either by action or inaction. They laugh at you losing to farmers because you left them to die to those same farmers, and then bragged about how you'd never lose like they did.
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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 21:06:30 GMT -5
Well, points for trying.
The Terrorist in this case was actually the IRA, who waged war on your supposed ally, England, with your financial backing. 'Pub bombings' should have been the give away.
Remember, the US hasn't just backed terrorism in the middle east.
France I basically gave you, but again, they lost an empire while covering your ass. The rest of it they lost mostly due to the US, either by action or inaction. They laugh at you losing to farmers because you left them to die to those same farmers, and then bragged about how you'd never lose like they did.
Private industries backed the IRA, there was a criminal market supplying them. But hey, they wanted independence (and couldn't figure out how to do it). And the French can laugh if they want. "Losing" seems to be their thing anyway, glad we could take some of it off their hands. And as I recall, they bailed on us first and half-assed commitment to the war.
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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 21:13:17 GMT -5
It's been fun, fellas. I've gotta hit the bed earlier than usual tonight. I've got a long day ahead of me, looking for other cultures to throw rocks at from my cave.
Not -hugely- invested in politics. Got some other 'cultural event' stuff I wanna bring up tomorrow, not directly related to politics. Comic books and vidya games and the like. Less shitposty, more "I wanna know what people think" because I'm not even sure where I stand on some of those issues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 21:16:35 GMT -5
Kids are not in concentration camps. This is a Clinton-Era policy, and all they are doing is ensuring that the children are traveling with a legal guardian. You know, instead of someone selling them as a fuck-doll. You mean those veterans that sit on a backlog because the government keeps appointing incompetents to work at the VA? I'll give you that. Shinseki was a piece of shit that the entire Army loathed, how he was fit to care for our wounded warriors is beyond me. Fortunately he's gone. Now if only we can prosecute the 'staff' that laugh at the dying vets there. "Poor Peasants" with AK-47's and ties to a terrorist organization that killed thousands of our people and terrorized their own? Zero sympathy, I hope it hurt.
Didn't you guys just decide aboriginals were humans in like, the 70's?
Kids in concentration camps part: well, they're dying there. So, call it what you like, but you're locking kids in a box until they die. In fact, ICE is being sued over that right now. And it's not looking good.
Clinton era... no, this lie has been debunked over and over and yet people keep spreading it.
the VA: Not even gonna bother to release my experiences there. I feel bad for both the staff that try, and men they try to help. As one of the check in nurses told me, she called, buzzed and emailed the suicide prevention team, and they never came, or even called back.. Guy popped himself in the lobby.
US attacks on civvies: So, when will you be bombing the neighborhoods of the US politicians and military personnel who also had ties to that same terrorist organization?
And took you even longer on Native Americans, bub, since quite a few of you still insist we're not.
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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 21:23:28 GMT -5
Kids in concentration camps part: well, they're dying there. So, call it what you like, but you're locking kids in a box until they die. In fact, ICE is being sued over that right now. And it's not looking good.
Clinton era... no, this lie has been debunked over and over and yet people keep spreading it.
the VA: Not even gonna bother to release my experiences there. I feel bad for both the staff that try, and men they try to help. As one of the check in nurses told me, she called, buzzed and emailed the suicide prevention team, and they never came, or even called back.. Guy popped himself in the lobby.
US attacks on civvies: So, when will you be bombing the neighborhoods of the US politicians and military personnel who also had ties to that same terrorist organization?
And took you even longer on Native Americans, bub, since quite a few of you still insist we're not.
Kids are showing up with diseases and dying there. They're coming from third-world shitholes, what do you expect- little anklebiters ready to be linemen on the local Pee-wee football team? It sucks they have to be separated, but until the policy of "Just take them back and drop them off across the border" becomes the standard- and we stop prosecuting them (and wasting our money doing so)- the only other option is 'throw the kids in the same cage with all the adults while they're processed'. Not a pleasant solution, but what else is there- saying 'fuck the border'? My experience with the VA? I'm still waiting. I'll have my medical job there in 3 years and maybe then they'll finally be able to explain to me where my disability payment is. The people running that show are kinda garbage and the whole system needs to be engaged somehow. And Native Americans got a raw deal. Thing is, I don't bother apologizing. I didn't do it. And if we're being honest, I've never had bad experiences with Natives. Except drinking. You guys are actual booze-hogs and I don't care if that's a negative stereotype. Needs to be some kind of rule about taking the last beer and not saying anything. That I cannot abide, all I ask for is a heads up- "Hey, getting the last beer- we gonna get more?" (I lived not far from a reservation when I was in my 20's, and the weird laws in that area made everything dry BUT the Reservation- so that's where a lot of us drank and camped).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 21:23:32 GMT -5
Private industries backed the IRA, there was a criminal market supplying them.
Congressman Peter King, Chairman, Homeland Security Subcommittee on Counterintelligence & Terrorism, raised money for them. Hell, they allowed Gerry Adams back into the US in 1998 to raise funds for the IRA. I met him at Irish Fest in Pittsburgh that year.
Had a little sit-down and discussed David Kinkaid's first solo album.
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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 21:26:42 GMT -5
Private industries backed the IRA, there was a criminal market supplying them.
Congressman Peter King, Chairman, Homeland Security Subcommittee on Counterintelligence & Terrorism, raised money for them. Hell, they allowed Gerry Adams back into the US in 1998 to raise funds for the IRA. I met him at Irish Fest in Pittsburgh that year.
Had a little sit-down and discussed David Kinkaid's first solo album.
You learn something new every day. But they've calmed down since the early 80's, if I'm not mistaken. Not nearly as violent... if at all. The time I met a few of them they were just old men that griped about the English.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 21:28:44 GMT -5
Kids are showing up with diseases and dying there. Not according to the DHS investigators. They had inspected that facility the month before and testified that it was a miracle that hadn't been deaths already. It got a failing score.
Further, the emergency care that some of them received was.... frankly baffling. They proscribed Tylenol for what they admitted was an infection.
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Post by sirwinston41 on Sept 3, 2018 21:35:05 GMT -5
So where is the morality behind separating kids from their parents and locking them in concentration camps? Or treating Vets so poorly that (despite the hero worship bullshit) that many are homeless and they commit suicide in record numbers, how about the morality of bombing the fuck out of poor peasants on the far side of the globe because their former government (that most had no say in at all) once sheltered a bloke who planned/executed attacks on the US? Your supposed moral highground and superior culture is as bull shit as your argument. Kids are not in concentration camps. This is a Clinton-Era policy, and all they are doing is ensuring that the children are traveling with a legal guardian. You know, instead of someone selling them as a fuck-doll. You mean those veterans that sit on a backlog because the government keeps appointing incompetents to work at the VA? I'll give you that. Shinseki was a piece of shit that the entire Army loathed, how he was fit to care for our wounded warriors is beyond me. Fortunately he's gone. Now if only we can prosecute the 'staff' that laugh at the dying vets there. "Poor Peasants" with AK-47's and ties to a terrorist organization that killed thousands of our people and terrorized their own? Zero sympathy, I hope it hurt.
Didn't you guys just decide aboriginals were humans in like, the 70's?
First 2 points have been dealt with. On your third that is liking the rest of the world bombing the shit out of the US because loads of people have guns when they aren't in the military, see how fucking moronic that argument is? Look at how backward Afghanistan is/was nd how poor and shit their lives are and tell me how many of them had any way of stopping what happened. As for your "Zero sympathy, hope it hurts" I guess that is your hyper evolved morality at play... Your 4th point, I got nothing. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, how did you get the idea I was an Ozzie? I aint.
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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 21:35:58 GMT -5
Kids are showing up with diseases and dying there. Not according to the DHS investigators. They had inspected that facility the month before and testified that it was a miracle that hadn't been deaths already. It got a failing score.
Further, the emergency care that some of them received was.... frankly baffling. They proscribed Tylenol for what they admitted was an infection.
All I've seen on that is that there is an increase in the number of people (and many unaccompanied children) and the heat is a major factor. Which is really nothing new, we usually just find them shriveled up in the desert months later. So they need better medical facilities. Which is our money, again. This is why I'm in favor of simply returning them to their country and being done with it.
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Post by motleycruesader on Sept 3, 2018 21:37:36 GMT -5
First 2 points have been dealt with. On your third that is liking the rest of the world bombing the shit out of the US because loads of people have guns when they aren't in the military, see how fucking moronic that argument is? Look at how backward Afghanistan is/was nd how poor and shit their lives are and tell me how many of them had any way of stopping what happened. As for your "Zero sympathy, hope it hurts" I guess that is your hyper evolved morality at play... Your 4th point, I got nothing. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, how did you get the idea I was an Ozzie? I aint. My compassion ends when you support killing civilians in my country. I sympathize with innocent bystanders. We didn't bomb anyone 'just because they had guns', you colossal fucktard. We bombed them because they were active enemies in a battle. Sorry you can't understand that. And when they support terrorist organizations through action, they are no longer innocent bystanders. You're mad. You should try some tea.
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Post by sirwinston41 on Sept 3, 2018 21:43:00 GMT -5
First 2 points have been dealt with. On your third that is liking the rest of the world bombing the shit out of the US because loads of people have guns when they aren't in the military, see how fucking moronic that argument is? Look at how backward Afghanistan is/was nd how poor and shit their lives are and tell me how many of them had any way of stopping what happened. As for your "Zero sympathy, hope it hurts" I guess that is your hyper evolved morality at play... Your 4th point, I got nothing. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, how did you get the idea I was an Ozzie? I aint. My compassion ends when you support killing civilians in my country. I sympathize with innocent bystanders. And when they support terrorist organizations through action, they are no longer innocent bystanders. You're mad. You should try some tea. But that is exactly what the US does... So your morality only comes into play when its your own attacked. Got it. However your next two sentences make little sense given the context. I am mad because I am not an Ozzie and should drink to tea to compensate? (though why anyone would need to compensate for not being an Ozzie or yet wish too is beyond me) But cheers I shall go and do so.
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