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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 19, 2020 16:05:15 GMT -5
How did the Senate advice on Garland's appointment? They didn't. No matter how much you keep repeating "advice and consent" there was no advice. The Senate was never allowed the chance to give or withhold consent. If you're going to claim the high ground of following proper procedure you can't then ignore the procedure. If I ask your for advice on a subject and you don't respond you have not given advice.
Also, if the outcome of the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings indicate to you that the Democrats are the problematic party your moral compass is even more bankrupt than I thought. The man is blatantly not suitable for the Supreme Court.
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Post by dusa on Sept 19, 2020 18:28:44 GMT -5
The only real logical step is to get rid of the filibuster if needed and pass laws to change the number of justices. It’s what the GOP would do if they are sitting at 50 votes, and that’s really how we should look at everything now. It’s not about what feels right, it’s about what the GOP would do to get ahead.
Because that is what the GOP Conservative Evangelical machine is all about. It’s not about God, it’s not about values, it’s not about the constitution. It’s only about power.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 19, 2020 19:38:52 GMT -5
The only real logical step is to get rid of the filibuster if needed and pass laws to change the number of justices. To be fair, most of the Federal courts are backlogged anyway and have needed expanding for ages. The only thing stopping it was the fear that it would set off a chain reaction but I doubt Democrats are likely to be particularly afraid of that relative to a hostile court system packed with unqualified jurists and the last great nail of Republican duplicity.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 20, 2020 3:04:02 GMT -5
I too think that it’s time for the democrats to take the gloves off and play the republicans at their own game. Get rid of the electoral college, impeach republicans left right and centre, just hit them with everything you can. The republicans absolutely deserve to be completely destroyed as a political force, permanently.
They remind me of our own political scumbags, the DUP. The similarities are evident...blatant bigotry, rank hypocrisy, a barely hid desire to roll back civil rights. Scumbags all of them.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 20, 2020 6:02:23 GMT -5
I think it's pretty telling that the only parties you'll find in Europe supporting Trump are the far-right scumbag parties.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 20, 2020 8:35:54 GMT -5
Anyone who supports Trump is a scumbag. I can sort of forgive (with gritted teeth) some 2016 voters who didn’t really know what they were doing but anyone still supporting him now is a complete fucking arse pimple.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 20, 2020 11:29:40 GMT -5
Take a moment to reflect over the fact that futurewarcultist and I have been diametrically opposed on pretty much every political subject I can think of, and then realize we're in complete agreement on Trump. The man can't even win a fair election. He's the Republican party incarnate: cheating, lying and authoritarian through and through.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 20, 2020 11:45:39 GMT -5
Also, I'd like to point out that Anthony Kennedy was approved by a Democratic Senate and seated in 1988, which was a Presidential election year. Chaired by a certain "J. Biden", the hearings started just before Christmas and resulted in Kennedy being approved and seated in February 1988.Precedent my ass.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Sept 20, 2020 15:03:21 GMT -5
God your such a fucking slug. Cry more please. You cried so much about me calling you despic that I changed my username over it Seriously get out you dirty hypocrite. I wanted to grow this board from the beginning, even extended the olive branch on mulitiple of occasions. But the majority of ya'll weren't interested. There is more good faith on a dead pigeon's toe than in your entire body despic. There is a reason why you earned that nickname. Wolfblade, stop being an ass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 16:51:35 GMT -5
The only real logical step is to get rid of the filibuster if needed and pass laws to change the number of justices. It’s what the GOP would do if they are sitting at 50 votes, and that’s really how we should look at everything now. It’s not about what feels right, it’s about what the GOP would do to get ahead. Because that is what the GOP Conservative Evangelical machine is all about. It’s not about God, it’s not about values, it’s not about the constitution. It’s only about power.
The GOP already did ditch the filibuster for SCOTUS nominations. Trump's short list are, as far as I can see, all his own appointees who've held the bench less than five years at the Federal level.
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Post by dusa on Sept 20, 2020 19:10:39 GMT -5
This would be the last remaining filibuster, for passing any laws. Which you will need anyway if Biden wins because the Turtle is just going to shut down everything again anyway and filibuster every single bill.
Fuck, he won’t even allow hearings on bills now.
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Post by mikosann on Sept 21, 2020 6:39:26 GMT -5
This whole supreme court shit show should be a lesson to dems if/when they return to the majority in the senate. What is the point of being in the majority if you don't pull the levers of power granted you? Remember when dems had majorities in congress and the presidency? Should have rammed the goddamn public option down their lying throats. Thats what repubs would do. Bully, call out and primary any dem that wouldn't go along. Fuck, all those middle of the road dems probably lost the next election anyway. Point is, the older dems need to stop trying to meet republicans in the middle, they only take it as a sign of weakness. Pack the fucking court with at least 2 more justices to balance the stolen Garland seat and one of either Boof Kavanaugh or whatever gem the assholes seat next. As Whembly keeps reminding us, there is no low too low for the republicans in the senate. Better wake the fuck up and start playing the game that is actually taking place instead of trying to play the way it used to be.
Edit: I really can't wait for the Bernie, AOC wing of the party to take over. It seems like the natural thing to happen in response the far right fuckery going on for the last 10-12 years. Sure it didn't happen in the presidential primary but remember, the tea party was a thing and the GOP put up establishment types Romney and Ryan in 2012. If centrists like Biden and Harris(yes they are centrist, don't even try and say otherwise conservatards) lose, I expect the next presidential candidate won't be a middle of the road pussy, it will be a progressive with a blow torch. And I really can't wait for all the conservative dick bags to cry how unfair it is when they get a taste of their own medicine.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 21, 2020 7:21:29 GMT -5
Take a moment to reflect over the fact that futurewarcultist and I have been diametrically opposed on pretty much every political subject I can think of, and then realize we're in complete agreement on Trump. The man can't even win a fair election. He's the Republican party incarnate: cheating, lying and authoritarian through and through. It’s nice to be in agreement on something once in a blue moon. This whole supreme court shit show should be a lesson to dems if/when they return to the majority in the senate. What is the point of being in the majority if you don't pull the levers of power granted you? Remember when dems had majorities in congress and the presidency? Should have rammed the goddamn public option down their lying throats. Thats what repubs would do. Bully, call out and primary any dem that wouldn't go along. Fuck, all those middle of the road dems probably lost the next election anyway. Point is, the older dems need to stop trying to meet republicans in the middle, they only take it as a sign of weakness. Pack the fucking court with at least 2 more justices to balance the stolen Garland seat and one of either Boof Kavanaugh or whatever gem the assholes seat next. As Whembly keeps reminding us, there is no low too low for the republicans in the senate. Better wake the fuck up and start playing the game that is actually taking place instead of trying to play the way it used to be. Edit: I really can't wait for the Bernie, AOC wing of the party to take over. It seems like the natural thing to happen in response the far right fuckery going on for the last 10-12 years. Sure it didn't happen in the presidential primary but remember, the tea party was a thing and the GOP put up establishment types Romney and Ryan in 2012. If centrists like Biden and Harris(yes they are centrist, don't even try and say otherwise conservatards) lose, I expect the next presidential candidate won't be a middle of the road pussy, it will be a progressive with a blow torch. And I really can't wait for all the conservative dick bags to cry how unfair it is when they get a taste of their own medicine. Sean Connery’s speech from The Untouchables is my mantra. When the democrats take power, they should finally take the fucking gloves off and batter that Republican scum silly. Impeach as many of them as possible, pack the court, eliminate the electoral college, make D.C and Puerto Rico states...do everything they can to destroy the Republicans permanently. They’re a fucking insignificant minority that’s had a malignant, unfair baked in advantage for far too long. Then they can happily split into separate Centrist and Progressive parties.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Sept 21, 2020 8:59:07 GMT -5
How did the Senate advice on Garland's appointment? They didn't. No matter how much you keep repeating "advice and consent" there was no advice. The Senate was never allowed the chance to give or withhold consent. If you're going to claim the high ground of following proper procedure you can't then ignore the procedure. If I ask your for advice on a subject and you don't respond you have not given advice. You fundamentally misunderstand the process. There's no constitutional/precendent/or other requirement for the Senate to actually vote whether or not to confirm judges. The mere fact that the GOP Senate chose NOT to start the confirmation process for Garland *is* the Senate exercise their constitutional Advise & Consent power. That is still following "proper procedures". This is laughable and I can only hope you making this assertion out of ignorance. The Democrat's behaviors of the Kavanauagh confirmation hearing has destroyed any notions that democrats has any moral compass.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 21, 2020 9:22:20 GMT -5
What is the process through which Congress decides on anything? Voting. The Republicans are the majority of Congress, but that doesn't mean that they ARE Congress. Taking away the minority's voice is not democratic, even if it is technically legal. It's interesting that the tyranny of the majority as a concept is only ever relevant when justifying why Republicans should be allowed to govern despite being in minority. Also, you have to actually have a working moral compass to be able to ascertain whether someone else's is working. Even if we ignore that the Kavanaugh hearings shouldn't even have existed in the first place, considering the combination of Trump's shameless lying combined with the things historically expressed by leading Republicans when they thought no one was listening (Atwater, comments on the "war on drugs" vis-a-vis minorities and hippies, Trump's lies regarding Covid, the justification for the Iraq war etc.) I think it's pretty blatantly obvious who the demented shitheads are. Much as I dislike the Democratic party, there will never be a sane political climate in the US as long as the current Republican party exists. The threat of fascism is far greater than that posed by a right-wing politician like Biden.
Ultimately, if the Republican party were moral, how come it always does as much as it physically can to disenfranchise voters? Are these the actions of a party with a functioning moral compass? Ultimately, a party that cannot win elections without a finger on the scale is less moral than one that can, let alone one that can win despite having the system stacked against it.
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