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Post by hatoflords on Sept 23, 2020 21:43:52 GMT -5
Thank you, that’s better. I mean, how worried about this should we be? Frankly, very. Not because it will work, but because the very fact it is being discussed means we're indeed very well past the point of no return.
The Republicans are willing to entertain such a notion as 'bypass the popular vote if it isn't what we want', we're already at the point that they may well do anything to maintain power. At that point, it might already be too late. Suppose it might be interesting how Europe responds. If Trump and Republicans blatantly change the rules of elections at the 11th hour because it suits them, the country is effectively no longer a democracy.
There's nothing to really do but vote and pray.
In other news, I find myself even sadder cause some of Biden's comments on the present situation are disheartening. Not because they're bad, but because they show he is the person the country desperately needed. Appeals to halt political escalation. Appeals that the current circumstances are unsustainable and damage the country. If RBG had not died when she had, it may well have meant something. Having decided how little I care, I'm even willing to pity poor Romney, who seems to almost desperately be wishing that things can just 'be normal' and that doing exactly what the Constitution says he's supposed to do is an action that some people will hate him for but achieves that aim. And I think they're both wishing for a return that is no longer possible.
At this point I think the 2020 election, regardless of its outcome, is the end of country we were promised and the start of something else entirely. Whether that be a rapid descent into authoritarianism or a chaotic era of political instablity, I don't know. But I feel sad all the same. They're men out of time now, and I feel like they both realize it. Suppose I sympathize.
EDIT: And in a case of amazing irony, the US just declared it would not recognize Alexander Lukashenko. What a time to be alive.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Sept 23, 2020 22:57:36 GMT -5
Funny story my wife just told me today that she heard from another teacher in the school. A couple weeks ago on 9/11, one student asked (I forget why it came up) "what are Democrats?" And another student said "they're the ones who flew the planes into the towers". These were fifth graders, and this is the sort of crap they're picking up from their parents. Burn em and try again.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 24, 2020 2:06:27 GMT -5
The election is ultimately pointless now, because regardless of the outcome he’s going to refuse to leave. He’s going to drag it out and abuse every aspect of power he has. It’s not going to end.
So long America.
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Post by adurot on Sept 24, 2020 2:13:02 GMT -5
Is it wrong to hope for a military coup? The leaders there don’t like him, and if he does something blatant, might they step in?
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 24, 2020 2:18:00 GMT -5
I know they’re really reluctant to get involved but there might come a point when they have no choice.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Sept 24, 2020 2:24:26 GMT -5
Is it wrong to hope for a military coup? The leaders there don’t like him, and if he does something blatant, might they step in? I don't think so. I doubt they will, but it would be better than 4 more years of trump destroying the US and looting the country.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 24, 2020 2:32:19 GMT -5
You know, the Supreme Court voted against him before, even the conservative judges...could they do it again? Or is that just wishful thinking?
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Post by adurot on Sept 24, 2020 2:56:34 GMT -5
You know, the Supreme Court voted against him before, even the conservative judges...could they do it again? Or is that just wishful thinking? Hard to say. Roberts would for sure I think, but it’ll take two. One of the key differences between the justices and senators is once the justices are seated they’re pretty much there for life and there’s not as much Trump can do to retaliate against them if they don’t constantly suck his ass.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Sept 24, 2020 3:33:33 GMT -5
There's nothing to really do but vote and pray. Buy a gun and be ready to shoot some fascists when the time comes, comrade. But in all seriousness, I think this is going to get a whole lot worse. Populism kills democracies and republics, throughout history we've seen it.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Sept 24, 2020 3:37:29 GMT -5
You know, the Supreme Court voted against him before, even the conservative judges...could they do it again? Or is that just wishful thinking? I think having the democratic process rest entirely on the whims of 9 people is a fucked up situation, regardless of whether they do the right thing or not.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 24, 2020 6:09:23 GMT -5
A military coup is just another way democracy ends. Doing it even once for the right reasons is such a slippery slope.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 24, 2020 8:09:55 GMT -5
You know, the Supreme Court voted against him before, even the conservative judges...could they do it again? Or is that just wishful thinking? Impossible to really know.
Conservative for a judge is different from conservative for a politician and the GOF seems to struggle to understand that judges are not the same thing as political operators, which is probably why the current slate is much more radical than Neil or Brett. To the rank and file GOF, this is mostly a chance to build a SCOTUS firewall. If they have a 6-3 majority then they can lose a seat and still be the majority. Trump seems to think that appointing a judge means they'll vote for him no matter what, which at least with the previous two obviously isn't true.
It's impossible to know how they'll rule until the rule.
A military coup is just another way democracy ends. Doing it even once for the right reasons is such a slippery slope.
It's also expecting the military to have more courage than it's ever displayed before. The US military is plenty brave when dropping bombs on people and fighting the equivalent of a toddler. The past 20 years have shown it cowers from political fights, which is what we probably want it to do most of the time. I think these ideas that the military or the Secret Service will swoop in a save us are delusional. You can look at past presidential systems and how they devolved and see that it's never really worked that way.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 24, 2020 9:20:08 GMT -5
Also, is anyone else getting a kick out of how whiny the GOF is that Bloomberg is paying felon's fees in Florida so they can vote?
It's almost like the entire notion of poll tax is really stupid, and is just opening the door to some rich guy swooping in, paying the fee on someone's behalf and walking away. Who the fuck do you think they're going to vote for in that scenario, no shit you fucking idiots it's not going to be you XD
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Post by adurot on Sept 24, 2020 9:55:23 GMT -5
Also, is anyone else getting a kick out of how whiny the GOF is that Bloomberg is paying felon's fees in Florida so they can vote? It's almost like the entire notion of poll tax is really stupid, and is just opening the door to some rich guy swooping in, paying the fee on someone's behalf and walking away. Who the fuck do you think they're going to vote for in that scenario, no shit you fucking idiots it's not going to be you XD Oh indeed. It’s very **chef’s kiss**.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Sept 24, 2020 10:34:58 GMT -5
Also, is anyone else getting a kick out of how whiny the GOF is that Bloomberg is paying felon's fees in Florida so they can vote? It's almost like the entire notion of poll tax is really stupid, and is just opening the door to some rich guy swooping in, paying the fee on someone's behalf and walking away. Who the fuck do you think they're going to vote for in that scenario, no shit you fucking idiots it's not going to be you XD Oh indeed. It’s very **chef’s kiss**. Yup. If you don't want people to easily buy votes with deniability then don't put financial barriers up to try and stop people voting.
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