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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 30, 2020 0:34:52 GMT -5
At least the Proud Boys now know where they stand with Trump, and they love it.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Sept 30, 2020 0:43:24 GMT -5
At least the Proud Boys now know where they stand with Trump, and they love it. But remember, somehow, he doesn't support neo-nazis.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Sept 30, 2020 0:51:59 GMT -5
Trump is that asshole at the front counter demanding free shit cause he knows the owner. He is the poster boy for a weak-man's toughguy. I would love to see someone put five across this asshole's eyes and watch him shrink into a ball.
I know this debate didn't move the needle in any meaningful direction, if you're still on the fence this point you're lying or wear a helmet when you go outside. But it was good to see Biden stand up and show he could.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 30, 2020 8:41:01 GMT -5
I think Trump interrupting Biden while he was talking about his dead son only to trash talk Hunter Biden is a pretty fair illustration of Trump's character. The man is a bully. Biden parried it ridiculously well, but I wouldn't have blamed him for punching Trump in the face right then and there.
On a personal level, I have zero respect for bullies or the people that enable them. I have a rather abrasive personality; I hurt people unintentionally and don't realize it until after the fact. Thus, I've spent a lot of time second-guessing myself, thinking about what I say, and how I say it. It's not perfect, I don't even know if it works most of the time, but at least I can look myself in the eyes and say "I'm trying my best to not be an asshole". I admit when I'm wrong, I apologise when I realize I've fucked up. It would surprise me if Trump has ever spent more than a second in introspection. I hold the most powerful person in the world to a higher standard than I hold myself, but he's not even clearing the threshold to get into the waiting room of morality. He can't even bring himself to denounce white supremacy properly.
How do you justify supporting Trump and still sleep at night? Hopefully all the cheating and lies don't win out in the end and we can spend the coming decades figuring out what the fuck is wrong with conservatives in the US. "Trump in Jerusalem" is well overdue at this point, I just hope we don't have to go through the sort of horror we did for "Eichmann in Jerusalem" to be written.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 30, 2020 10:28:04 GMT -5
I feel like at this point it doesn't matter anymore if Trump would be the Antichrist, because the internalized logic dictates that you need to get through the Antichrist to get to the Second Coming. Quite a different version of "Trump in Jerusalem" that they hope for.
He has maligned dead soldiers (its totally in line with public comments), that profession that Americans fetishize like no other and it barely moved the needle. At this point they will cheer him on and call the people he shoots on 5th avenue violent extremist lefties.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 30, 2020 10:49:07 GMT -5
I feel like at this point it doesn't matter anymore if Trump would be the Antichrist, because the internalized logic dictates that you need to get through the Antichrist to get to the Second Coming. Quite a different version of "Trump in Jerusalem" that they hope for. He has maligned dead soldiers (its totally in line with public comments), that profession that Americans fetishize like no other and it barely moved the needle. At this point they will cheer him on and call the people he shoots on 5th avenue violent extremist lefties. Yeah.
I can't help but feel the biggest advocate of anti-religion at this point are the religious. There was a study done a year or so ago that found belief in god isn't really in decline. Belief in 'the church' is. Organized religion is what is collapsing rapidly in the West, and I can't help but feel that's a self-inflicted wound. I don't even talk about my religion with anyone much anymore. I'm too disillusioned by the image that exists of what it means to be religious right now. I am not shocked that there is a crisis of faith in the US or most Western countries with the way religion, money, and politics have mixed into a pure orb of hypocritical and unprincipled toxicity.
EDIT: Otherways, anyone want to bet on future debates? As in will they even happen? I suspect they will. Trump won't back down, and as pointless as it is to debate him I think Biden has to show up and at least put an effort out to deny Trump the talking point if he quits. So, any other thoughts? I think we're going to get two more XD
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 30, 2020 12:00:31 GMT -5
Debates will happen for the aformentioned reasons. Any network with some balls should cut off Trump's mic to stop him from interrupting.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Sept 30, 2020 12:51:46 GMT -5
Was the nadir of the debate when Trump told his Brown Shirts to "Stand down and stand by" and then immediately pivoted to "Someone's gotta do something about the left"? Or was there something worse?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Sept 30, 2020 23:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 1, 2020 1:17:53 GMT -5
I mean... Sucks for his family. Not sure I can spare much sympathy for the man himself. Is this the guy who keeps getting featured by John Oliver for being a completely inhuman monster and all around asshole?
Honestly. I'm both happy and angered that the coal industry is dying. Happy because good riddance. Angry because we could have ended it 20 years ago if we wanted and helped the miners get new jobs. Now they're probably going to end up with jack shit.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 1, 2020 1:23:33 GMT -5
I mean... Sucks for his family. Not sure I can spare much sympathy for the man himself. Is this the guy who keeps getting featured by John Oliver for being a completely inhuman monster and all around asshole? Honestly. I'm both happy and angered that the coal industry is dying. Happy because good riddance. Angry because we could have ended it 20 years ago if we wanted and helped the miners get new jobs. Now they're probably going to end up with jack shit.
I think he is the asshole featured by John Oliver, and while I feel bad for the families of coal miners, I find it hard to feel bad for the coal miners who (largely) preferred trump's lies of bringing their field back over the harsh reality of it being a dying industry and needing retraining and voted for him. (obviously, it's not JUST this one instance though of them denying it being a dying field)
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Post by steelmage99 on Oct 1, 2020 1:47:58 GMT -5
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Post by adurot on Oct 1, 2020 1:51:00 GMT -5
I mean... Sucks for his family. Not sure I can spare much sympathy for the man himself. Is this the guy who keeps getting featured by John Oliver for being a completely inhuman monster and all around asshole?. Yep, that’s the dude alright.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 1, 2020 1:57:31 GMT -5
I forgot about that! What a catchy song about a guy who fucks squirrels.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Oct 1, 2020 2:16:30 GMT -5
I can safely say you don't need to feel bad for Bob Murray or his family. Their fucking scum. His son purposefully built a three story garage to ruin his neighbors view. Bob used his connections to buy most of the gas field mineral rights in the area, back before the oil and gas boom when they were worthless and he cheated a bunch of families out deserved money. He hands out voting guides to his miners and if you don't vote how he orders, his bosses are told to make your life complete shit till you quit.
When he buys a Union mine, he sends bosses from his non-union mines to try and encourage them to de-unionize. Often with lies and scare tactics.
I have seen him throw away so many miners over injuries and accidents based on his policies of greed, he has tried very hard to have my dad's health insurance and pension taken away. And don't forget, he dropped a mountain on a bunch of a miners. Ordering the miners to go back in and cut out so many of the coal pillars left in the mine for stability. When the families tried to sue him, he used footage he had secretly taped of the families thanking him at the time for trying to rescue the miners, who were fucking dead cause he dropped a mountain on them and at the time the families didn't know that part, as evidence against the families. I hope he dies choking on his own blood alone and awake and knowing that none of his money can save him. Fuck Bob Murray.
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