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Post by hatoflords on Oct 3, 2020 10:20:42 GMT -5
It would be a total dick move. But I hope enough GOP senators get it to give the democrats a temporary majority, and that the Dems just run with it and pass all kinds of random shit. It’s what the GOP would do. I don't know if that would happen, but it would be amusing if enough Republicans got knocked out for a few weeks in October such that it made confirming a SCOTUS nominee impossible. Would be rather amusing if Republican head-up-our-assery was what blocked Barret's confirmation. But I'm not that optimistic.
They'll fucking show up and infect the whole Senate before they let a Democrat have any chance at naming a SCOTUS pick.
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Post by dusa on Oct 3, 2020 12:25:17 GMT -5
Mitch already wants to suspend the senate for 2 weeks.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 3, 2020 13:03:49 GMT -5
So AP and the NYT have sources that contradict what the doctors said in public. Are there so few professionals with a spine unwilling to lie and damage their reputation over someone like Trump?
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Post by futurewarcultist on Oct 3, 2020 13:08:23 GMT -5
Mitch already wants to suspend the senate for 2 weeks. Can he do that unilaterally or does he have to ask somebody?
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Post by dusa on Oct 3, 2020 13:44:51 GMT -5
Dems have to agree.
I say fuck them and keep it open, have some fun with it. It’s what the GOP would do. And considering that the only reason they have three (so far) senators out is because they all attended an unmasked crowded event to rush a justice through the nomination process.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Oct 3, 2020 14:41:12 GMT -5
Dems have to agree. I say fuck them and keep it open, have some fun with it. It’s what the GOP would do. And considering that the only reason they have three (so far) senators out is because they all attended an unmasked crowded event to rush a justice through the nomination process. Yes, absolutely! Mitch should be forced to eat this shit sandwich with a cup of hot piss to wash it down. Please Dems grow some fucking balls and deny that turtle.
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Post by adurot on Oct 3, 2020 15:32:04 GMT -5
Mitch already wants to suspend the senate for 2 weeks. With the exception of the hearings for Barret. He still wants to move ahead with that. Also even if Dems got a temp majority due to missing Reps, I don’t think it would let them pass anything because Moscow Mitch just wouldn’t bring it to the floor for a vote.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 3, 2020 15:36:14 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything they can do. There's a reason McConnell could pretty much single handedly block Garland's nomination from going anywhere and be the self-proud 'Grim Reaper' who has made the Senate completely unworkable as a body. The majority leader pretty much sets the Senate's schedule. The minority leader is supposed to do that with them but McConnell has shown that that's something that only happens when there's good faith. If he says the Senate isn't going to do X, it won't do X. There's actually a low key argument to be made that the current senate structure is completely unconstitutional (the Vice President is supposed to be the presiding officer in the Senate), but no one is going to start that fight right now. Both parties tend to like the current arrangement since it lets the Senate majority party set the pace and course of the body. Maybe the Democrats should look at that instead of the fillibuster. It's fucking absurd that a single senator from Kentucky can completely sabotage of upper house of Congress because he wants to masturbate to what a good reaper he is. Maybe make some new senate rules that subject the Majority leader to checks and balances, either by allowing the body to overrule their scheduling priorities or maybe give the VP more of a role. I think some of that is already possible under current senate rules but a lot of obscure things in the senate still require super majorities to force.
Someone somewhere suggested a change where instead of doing away with the fillibuster, the rules should simply be reversed. You have to get votes to fillibuster, rather than get votes to shut it down.
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Post by adurot on Oct 3, 2020 16:15:09 GMT -5
Really, the more fun version is if Drumpf and Pence are both incapacitated from it, because Pelosi is next in line at that point.
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Post by dusa on Oct 3, 2020 16:50:39 GMT -5
Mitch already wants to suspend the senate for 2 weeks. With the exception of the hearings for Barret. He still wants to move ahead with that. Also even if Dems got a temp majority due to missing Reps, I don’t think it would let them pass anything because Moscow Mitch just wouldn’t bring it to the floor for a vote. They can force floor business, they did last week I think.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 3, 2020 17:28:03 GMT -5
Really, the more fun version is if Drumpf and Pence are both incapacitated from it, because Pelosi is next in line at that point. Not so easily.
Cheney had a resignation letter hidden away with his lawyer and instruction that it should be turned into the Secretary of State if Cheney should ever be incapacitated while Bush was also incapacitated. There is actually no provisions in US law - or the Constitution - for if the Vice President is incapacitated. The Vice President could be in a coma and they'd still be the VP. I'm also not sure if you can impeach a VP (I don't think you can?), so there's actually no way to remove a sitting VP from office other than by their term running out. If he then became President, while in a coma, he could be impeached on the grounds of 'in a coma can't fill duties of office' but that would require Trump to already not be President.
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Post by dusa on Oct 3, 2020 18:11:08 GMT -5
Wouldn’t need to be impeached. If the VP is acting as POTUS the cabinet can follow the same process to declare that he cannot carry out his office.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 3, 2020 18:29:49 GMT -5
Wouldn’t need to be impeached. If the VP is acting as POTUS the cabinet can follow the same process to declare that he cannot carry out his office. This cabinet actually probably can't.
I don't think enough of them are confirmed by the Senate, so they can't enact that part of the 25th amendment...
And actually wtf. Is that why Trump perennially likes not having his secretaries confirmed? Because of that one incident way back when?
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Oct 3, 2020 20:55:38 GMT -5
I think it is pretty safe to assume that if the question requires the subject in question to possess knowledge of the history of your country, your constitution and the workings of your government for the answer to be yes, then the answer with regards to Trump will be no 100% of the time.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 3, 2020 23:21:03 GMT -5
I think it is pretty safe to assume that if the question requires the subject in question to possess knowledge of the history of your country, your constitution and the workings of your government for the answer to be yes, then the answer with regards to Trump will be no 100% of the time. Yeah, but he has a bizarre habit.
Example: remember like, 2 weeks ago when Trump was saying "Kamal Harris can't become president by the back door" and everyone was like, wtf is he talking about?
Option 1 to explain that: Trump is a fucking moron.
Option 2: someone explained to Trump a fringe scenario where the EC ties/neither Trump nor Biden get a majority to be president. The decision then goes to Congress. The House picks the President via a vote by state delegations. The Republicans hold majority in the majority of state delegations, but the Democrats are likely to remain the majority and Pelosi is thus certain to remain speaker*. She might not be able to have the House vote Biden president but she doesn't have to. If she uses her position she can simply stall the House out, triggering the contingency of the 20th Amendment: The Senate picks the Vice President. If the House doesn't vote in a President within a few days of voting, the Vice President becomes president. If the Democrats have 51 votes, they won't vote Pence and gaining those seats is in the realm of possibility.
I.E. there is a fringe election scenario where Kamala Harris becomes President in 2020, and was that hyper bizarre statement from Trump really a tip off that Republicans have already talked about this possibility?
Trump is a dumb fuck but he's also a parrot. He repeats what he hears because he's a dumb fuck and takes actions based on that shit because he's a dumb fuck.
*This is also why you're seeing some Republican panic in Texas, because the Democrats are performing better than normal this election in purple and some red states and may end up cracking some traditionally red districts. Pelosi is already briefing House Democrats on this scenario, and it is possible the Democrats manage to gain majorities in a majority of house delegations and could thus vote Biden president if the decision goes to them.
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