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Post by tannhauser42 on Oct 13, 2020 9:18:40 GMT -5
This is the part that I cannot relate to at all. Every time I've voted here in Sweden I've gone to my local polling station, voted, and then gone straight home. It takes me longer to go to the polling station than it takes to vote, and I only live 10 minutes away. It takes a special kind of ignorance and/or evil to create a system where you have hour-long queues simply to vote, and I just can't imagine who'd be that kind of... Oh. Right. Part of it is just how technologically illiterate people can be. The voting machines aren't always the most user friendly designs. Combine that with how many of those same people have been trained to an almost pavlovian level to distrust the voting process and/or modern technology... All of that gets you a system that makes things go ssllooww.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Oct 13, 2020 9:35:02 GMT -5
And done. Full touch screens this time compared to the machines last time that had buttons. No option to automatically vote straight party, you had to manually select the choices for each race. It prints then all out to a paper ballot that you then take to another machine to scan in. One hour from start to finish.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Oct 13, 2020 10:02:31 GMT -5
This is the part that I cannot relate to at all. Every time I've voted here in Sweden I've gone to my local polling station, voted, and then gone straight home. It takes me longer to go to the polling station than it takes to vote, and I only live 10 minutes away. It takes a special kind of ignorance and/or evil to create a system where you have hour-long queues simply to vote, and I just can't imagine who'd be that kind of... Oh. Right. Part of it is just how technologically illiterate people can be. The voting machines aren't always the most user friendly designs. Combine that with how many of those same people have been trained to an almost pavlovian level to distrust the voting process and/or modern technology... All of that gets you a system that makes things go ssllooww.
The machines shouldn't exist in the first place though. It's an accountability nightmare.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Oct 13, 2020 10:09:55 GMT -5
Every time I've voted here in Sweden I've gone to my local polling station, voted, and then gone straight home. It takes me longer to go to the polling station than it takes to vote, and I only live 10 minutes away. Take paper ballot, put it in the envelope in a place away from sight, show ID, sign some paper, put envelope into the urn, done. Easy. Very fast to do, no waiting time, if you have enough polling stations.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 13, 2020 10:34:28 GMT -5
This is the part that I cannot relate to at all. Every time I've voted here in Sweden I've gone to my local polling station, voted, and then gone straight home. It takes me longer to go to the polling station than it takes to vote, and I only live 10 minutes away. Here in the NL even with a line it has never taken me more than 5 min. Of course there are also a lot of polling stations. I live in a moderately large city and last I checked I had 4 options in a 5 min radius. 5 min walking distance, not driving, plus the option to vote at a public transport hub before or after work.
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Post by dusa on Oct 13, 2020 11:24:33 GMT -5
Elections are (often) run by partisan commissions and partisan Secretaries of State, there is an inherent conflict of interest in providing a fair election that may result in the removal of the people in charge of said elections. So you make it easy to vote for “your” people and harder for “those” people.
Another issue, especially this year, is that many polling sites rely on volunteer workers to actually staff the polling sites. Guess who doesn’t have a job and who is available to work all day on all the different election days and go to requires trainings? Old people. Guess who isn’t going to be volunteering this year because they don’t want to die? Old people. This makes it harder to keep as many polling places open.
Early voting is often extra problematic, just because you are trying to funnel people from multiple polling sites to one centralized location. Which created a natural bottleneck.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 13, 2020 15:56:43 GMT -5
Here's an "interesting" case decided by trump's nominee:
Basically, she believes the use of slurs is not enough to create a hostile work environment and ignored a ton of evidence proving the rest of what she said needed to be proved.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 14, 2020 3:18:52 GMT -5
But she adopted two black children so you know, its fine. I'm having a hard time imagining that those kids are not being called the N word, at least by the extended adoptive family, after seeing this. Because uttering it is fine after all? They can't even write out the slur in the reasoning(?), but its fine to use it in the workplace? These views seem to get worse every time she comes up in the media. Oof... I would no longer be able to see my work environment and colleagues the same if racial slurs were being thrown around casually, let alone imagine being the person its being directed at. Burden of proof BS, this shouldn't happen in any workplace period.
Also, fuck those other two judges, WTF.
Good for "I like beer" to have shown some backbone in a similar case though, at least that's something.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 14, 2020 3:37:56 GMT -5
But she adopted two black children so you know, its fine. I'm having a hard time imagining that those kids are not being called the N word, at least by the extended adoptive family, after seeing this. Because uttering it is fine after all? They can't even write out the slur in the reasoning(?), but its fine to use it in the workplace? These views seem to get worse every time she comes up in the media. Oof... Also, fuck those other two judges, WTF. Honestly, it sounds like a big case of lacking context.
Just from the quoted section, I think the actual reason the case was declined is because the plaintiff couldn't prove a connection between being called an n-word and his firing. If he was just suing for emotional distress it would be one thing, but it sounds like the suit was about being fired and he couldn't prove it was because of that one manager.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 14, 2020 4:36:34 GMT -5
Honestly, it sounds like a big case of lacking context.
Just from the quoted section, I think the actual reason the case was declined is because the plaintiff couldn't prove a connection between being called an n-word and his firing. If he was just suing for emotional distress it would be one thing, but it sounds like the suit was about being fired and he couldn't prove it was because of that one manager.
I looked up the case beforehand (its linked in those twitter comments), while context helps, it sure as hell doesn't absolve this verdict in my opinion. Its a messy two way street of incompetent employee versus multiple complaints of harassment and singling out. The supervisor in question, who is also black, got into an argument about complaints the employee filed against supervisors including him. Proceedings were already under way to start the process of firing a week before this argument. The supervisor called the man a "dumb ass N" during it and in doing so it makes it hard not to connect the dots on previous complaints about harassment being plausible when that gets thrown around. Two weeks later the employee was officially fired. Its a bit more complicated than the article makes it out to be, but my opinion was unchanged reading a fuller version. For the record, I'm a supervisor at work (in the Netherlands) and I've dealt with my share of incompetent/unsuitable employees. You always remain polite, regardless of complaints employees file. Even when you already decide to fire them you have to treat them with the utmost respect, however hard they might make that. Lashing out like that, you just created a hostile work environment. Congratulations, now you're stuck with said incompetent employee (anyone smart has legal insurance and if you know you're getting fired you can complain to a third party and the firing process gets frozen) until resolved by a third party and likely paying them to leave. There is a reason the position of supervisor opened up for me to take over... law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/18-2948/18-2948-2019-08-21.html
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 14, 2020 7:18:51 GMT -5
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 14, 2020 13:36:33 GMT -5
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Post by dusa on Oct 14, 2020 23:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 15, 2020 0:44:11 GMT -5
This new New York Post Biden story is hilarious. So an avid Trump supporting computer store owner copied the hard drive of a laptop (all his costumers should be running away screaming at this point and/or calling the police) that was supposedly dropped of by Hunter Biden (the owner doesn't know who it was) and handed the contents over to Rudy Ghouliani and it magically contains evidence of Biden's wrongdoing in Ukraine. Its so hilariously convoluted and stupid, but the idiots will lap it up.
Of course Facebook and Twitter actaully trying to bother with some curation of fake news this time are being harassed by Trumpies for censorship.
Trump's tweets on it are the best part, you could hit him over the head with the irony and he still wouldn't know how dumb this tweet looks in regards to his grifter children (in law).
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 15, 2020 1:05:51 GMT -5
It's especially funny because of how little sense the story makes. Why would a laptop from the Beau Biden Foundation (which the Bidens don't even run), in April 2019, have emails concerning Burisma from May 2014 when the Foundation didn't even exist until Jun 2015. And why do the emails perfectly back the narrative pushed by Russian agents in May 2019 that was already dismissed by Trump's intelligence agencies in March 2019? At what point is Giuliani going to be labeled a foreign agent?
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