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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 11, 2020 1:15:14 GMT -5
538 is the total number of seats in Congress, right? It's the total number of electoral votes. Technically, there are more seats because of U.S. Territories iirc.
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Post by steelmage99 on Nov 11, 2020 3:26:04 GMT -5
538 is the total number of seats in Congress, right? It's the total number of electoral votes. Technically, there are more seats because of U.S. Territories iirc. Ah, OK. I was shooting from the hip, testing my knowledge - being non-American and all. In my country the number would be 179 (including 4 from two different territories). Now, using only that, where am I from?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 11, 2020 6:22:38 GMT -5
It's the total number of electoral votes. Technically, there are more seats because of U.S. Territories iirc. Ah, OK. I was shooting from the hip, testing my knowledge - being non-American and all. In my country the number would be 179 (including 4 from two different territories). Now, using only that, where am I from? The only one that seems to match to that would be denmark, but I have no idea otherwise.
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Post by steelmage99 on Nov 11, 2020 7:43:48 GMT -5
You are indeed correct. Well done.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 11, 2020 11:22:00 GMT -5
On a more upbeat note, consider all the fuckery the GOP was up to before the election. Fucking the USPS, limiting the number of drop-off points, the fake ballot stations in California and so on. Biden still won. Trump lost with the deck stacked in his favour.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 11, 2020 11:56:25 GMT -5
On a more upbeat note, consider all the fuckery the GOP was up to before the election. Fucking the USPS, limiting the number of drop-off points, the fake ballot stations in California and so on. Biden still won. Trump lost with the deck stacked in his favour. The US election system is too decentralized for any party to cheat it in any meaningful way. Not in such a short period of time. It would take years for anyone to actually maneuver themselves into position to steal an election via ballot manipulation. There are 50 different states with 50 different election systems and no state has itself a centralized election system. Everything filters down to the local level, which is probably one of the things we do right when it comes to elections. The ballots are mostly counted where they're cast and election officials are segregated from the political system.
I think it's also notable that this election highlights the differences between the Republican party at the national level and the Republican party at the state level. They're not great, but they're also clearly not as beholden to Trump's firebranding as more high profile politicians. They've been far less reactive to his bullshit and less responsive to his base. The main GOP may follow. It's hard to tell right now because the special elections in Georgia. Trump's crap is an easy way to keep the base fired up. The lay of the land probably won't be clear until afterward.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 11, 2020 12:08:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd count voter suppression as cheating. It's deplorable, but it's a separate, distinct form of fuckery. It's essentially "cheating through proxy" as you aren't changing anything directly, but still acting against the fundamental logic of democracy.
It does, however, allow for more significant effects on the total outcome of the election than "traditional" cheating. I don't think anyone thinks DeJoy did what he did for any reason other than suppressing mail-in ballots (even whembly refused to contest that when I explicitly asked multiple times). It's thus hardly unfair to conclude that the Republican party sought to illegitimately change the outcome of the vote.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Nov 11, 2020 16:50:33 GMT -5
In Covid news, that's still here amazingly even after an orange troll shrieked to the heavens it was going away on election day, my state originally closed with 104 cases.
I'm still going to work with 6508...
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Post by adurot on Nov 11, 2020 19:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 11, 2020 19:39:18 GMT -5
I'm surprised by neither of these. In my opinion, more power to the trumptards to send trump money instead of using it to potentially help fund future GOP scumbags.
The WI thing is mildly worrying, because the GOP has been attempting to figure out a legal way that would let them do exactly that, and not all of them are floorlickers.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 11, 2020 21:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 11, 2020 21:37:06 GMT -5
EDIT: Ignore this.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 11, 2020 22:04:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd count voter suppression as cheating. It's deplorable, but it's a separate, distinct form of fuckery. It's essentially "cheating through proxy" as you aren't changing anything directly, but still acting against the fundamental logic of democracy. I'd agree. It's not really cheating per se. More like rules lawyering, which as we all know is the domain of assholes but by definition isn't really breaking the rules, just bending them over backwards for advantage. They've all but admitted that if they don't fuck with how ballots are counted and cast they'll never win national elections. They're not wrong, I think. Democrats would probably win more house seats more easily if not for gerrymanders, and many sun belt states are built on voter suppression as a base line. The bright side is that multiple state legislatures (some of which can't pull this off because of Democratic governors) would all have to conspire to do this for it to matter. It's also why this might just be empty but dangerous talk to pander to the base. These guys know Evers would never sign off on such bullshit so they can indulge the notion to prove their Trumpian credentials now while it has no (apparent) consequences, but this is the kind of reckless behavior that has left the GOF such a mess. The more then needlessly pander to the extreme right in this manner the more dangerous the extreme right becomes but I think that might be for the best. The less hidden the broken nature of the GOF is the better.
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Post by steelmage99 on Nov 12, 2020 6:11:31 GMT -5
This is political theatre played out in the media.
None of the lawsuits put forth by the Trump Administration and it's supporters are going to change the result of the 2020 Presidential election. This isn't just because they will be thrown out or fails, but rather because EVEN IF they won all those legal actions, it still wouldn't change any of the results. The allegations put forth by the lawsuits are of such a petty nature and limited scope, that they wont change the results - EVEN IF won.
This is of course completely secondary. The lawsuits, irrespective of whether they are won or lost, will be used to argue a certain narrative.
If lost, they will be used to "demonstrate" a nation wide infiltration of the state courts by "The Deep State". If won, they will be used to "demonstrate" nation wide and systemic voter fraud by Democrats - even of the actual lawsuit didn't actually show that.
For example;. A successful lawsuit demonstrating, that 53 mail-in ballots was accidentally mishandled in a single county in Michigan, will be presented as; "It has been proven in court of law, that the election in Michigan was corrupt and fraudulent, to a degree never seen before in American history! Democrats are stealing the election!!".
Remember, we are dealing with people, to whom facts simply doesn't matter. While claiming the intellectual high ground of "facts over feelings", they engage in the most egregious cherry picking, lying by omission and massaging of the facts to assuage their cognitive dissonance.
A fact that REALLY ought to give Trump supporters pause for thought (but wont), is the sheer number of discrepancies, the enormous differences and huge gaps between what is claimed on Fox News and YouTube and various blogs......and what is being claimed in courts, in lawsuits and during legal investigations - where evidence actually matters and the possibility of being punished for perjury looms large.
THAT is really telling, and it will fly clean over the MAGA-hat-wearing heads of a huge number of Trump supporters.
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