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Post by dabbler on Dec 11, 2020 17:33:54 GMT -5
Same rules, same people, what could go wrong? If it's not on dakka itself/with the same bosses, they may actually let the mods who kept saying "let's just fuck off these users who keep ruining threads instead of waiting for someone to be mean then banning them" have their way and shit will actually work better. It wasn't up to the mods who got banned and all from OT, and how the eventual decisions were made for politics there Or so I've heard
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Dec 11, 2020 18:04:10 GMT -5
Same rules, same people, what could go wrong? If it's not on dakka itself/with the same bosses, they may actually let the mods who kept saying "let's just fuck off these users who keep ruining threads instead of waiting for someone to be mean then banning them" have their way and shit will actually work better. It wasn't up to the mods who got banned and all from OT, and how the eventual decisions were made for politics there Or so I've heard The mod proposing it (RiTides) has said, and I quote: Basically, they don't see despic as a problem, are content to let them shit the place up, and they don't seem to fully understand what "bad faith" means, another mod has complained that bad faith (unlike civility apparently...) is a "subjective line" in the sand so-to-speak, while another another mod was complaining that criticizing the mod team's complete and utter lack of mod action in the dakka politics threads was "flinging poop everywhere" basically. you're not missing much if you don't head back to dakka.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Dec 11, 2020 18:23:19 GMT -5
If it's not on dakka itself/with the same bosses, they may actually let the mods who kept saying "let's just fuck off these users who keep ruining threads instead of waiting for someone to be mean then banning them" have their way and shit will actually work better. It wasn't up to the mods who got banned and all from OT, and how the eventual decisions were made for politics there Or so I've heard The mod proposing it (RiTides) has said, and I quote: Basically, they don't see despic as a problem, are content to let them shit the place up, and they don't seem to fully understand what "bad faith" means, another mod has complained that bad faith (unlike civility apparently...) is a "subjective line" in the sand so-to-speak, while another another mod was complaining that criticizing the mod team's complete and utter lack of mod action in the dakka politics threads was "flinging poop everywhere" basically. you're not missing much if you don't head back to dakka. The amount of butthurt these last few days has been something else. By your very own standards, you are the living avatar of what you accuse me of doing. Particularly actively refusing to engage the merits of the discussion and immediately personally go after the commentator. Hell, you chased me in Dakkadakka and PM'ed me to get your swipe in.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Dec 11, 2020 18:23:47 GMT -5
I'm curious to see how long the groundhog day charade can carry on before it collapses in a similar manner. How many times have we gone around the Mueller report now, it must be approaching double digits right?
Here is my personal opinion on the matter of the Dakka thread:
I think the well is seriously poisoned regardless if Dakka tries to move it off board. There are just certain users that you know and recognize due to their political stances. To be clear, I'm not talking about Whembly here, because I consider him to be able to be perfectly civil and conversational outside the sphere of (US) politics from what I remember of Dakka (US politics, while important, are not as personal for those of us not in the US or American. I align with the other European posters that have less pressure on the civility side of these topics, while I disagree with the approach of some US posters, I recognize the frustration behind it). While I consider almost everything to be in some way politics adjacent as that is now just the time we live in, a woman starring in a movie can be political now. Since the direct politics ban there are others that are far, far more problematic. These others are just oozing a specific type of politics and taking low key swipes in other topics. The use of SJW in an almost continual fashion by these posters is basically enough evidence of bad faith posting, as its inherently meant to draw a political response and shut shit down due to the rules.
Knowing that I'm not objective myself, I would class Whembly as tribal, but not a 'culture warrior'. The second is the real problem and poison on Dakka, because the no direct politics ban doesn't stop them. Whembly is not the problem of Dakka now, but the mods are unwilling to recognize that. Moving politics might move Whembly off Dakka, but its not taking out the infection that exists there now, it won't reduce acrimony, because the people doing it revel in it.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Dec 11, 2020 19:00:34 GMT -5
SC rejects attempt by Texas AG to overthrow the election results, options are getting slim for Trump now, the milking might not last much longer.
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Post by steelmage99 on Dec 11, 2020 19:51:36 GMT -5
And next we are going to have the Right refuse to change their minds, but instead appeal to "God's court".
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Dec 11, 2020 21:59:45 GMT -5
I'm curious to see how long the groundhog day charade can carry on before it collapses in a similar manner. How many times have we gone around the Mueller report now, it must be approaching double digits right? Here is my personal opinion on the matter of the Dakka thread: I think the well is seriously poisoned regardless if Dakka tries to move it off board. There are just certain users that you know and recognize due to their political stances. To be clear, I'm not talking about Whembly here, because I consider him to be able to be perfectly civil and conversational outside the sphere of (US) politics from what I remember of Dakka (US politics, while important, are not as personal for those of us not in the US or American. I align with the other European posters that have less pressure on the civility side of these topics, while I disagree with the approach of some US posters, I recognize the frustration behind it). While I consider almost everything to be in some way politics adjacent as that is now just the time we live in, a woman starring in a movie can be political now. Since the direct politics ban there are others that are far, far more problematic. These others are just oozing a specific type of politics and taking low key swipes in other topics. The use of SJW in an almost continual fashion by these posters is basically enough evidence of bad faith posting, as its inherently meant to draw a political response and shut shit down due to the rules. Knowing that I'm not objective myself, I would class Whembly as tribal, but not a 'culture warrior'. The second is the real problem and poison on Dakka, because the no direct politics ban doesn't stop them. Whembly is not the problem of Dakka now, but the mods are unwilling to recognize that. Moving politics might move Whembly off Dakka, but its not taking out the infection that exists there now, it won't reduce acrimony, because the people doing it revel in it. I will be the first to admit that I am tribal...not sure if I'm a "culture warrior" as I really don't know what that means. Most folks here are also tribal fwiw, and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. I rarely post at Dakka, that's partly because pre-pandemic I gave most of my warhammer stuff to my son and I think he posted there for awhile. But, since the pandemnic, he lost interest and I got my "plastic cracks" back, so I've been mainly reading just the 40k sections and diligently work through my pile of shame. The only sections in OT that I paid attention to was the Covid one and the Gun thread - I purposely kept my postings there as minimal as possible because it was already an "inflamed" topic.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Dec 11, 2020 22:00:37 GMT -5
SC rejects attempt by Texas AG to overthrow the election results, options are getting slim for Trump now, the milking might not last much longer. Good. Next Monday is an important date. That's when the electors "vote" in each state and send their slate to Congress.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Dec 11, 2020 22:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Dec 12, 2020 0:32:16 GMT -5
Totally normal, it's only the trump campaign that's gone off the rails. Who knew his campaign staff included almost every single member of the GOP?
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Post by Hordini on Dec 12, 2020 1:17:48 GMT -5
That might be a stretch.
And I don't think secession is something that's going to be happening anytime soon. At least, I hope not.
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Post by Great Cthulhu Himself on Dec 12, 2020 1:45:03 GMT -5
That might be a stretch. And I don't think secession is something that's going to be happening anytime soon. At least, I hope not. How would we even do it, anyways? I've seen and talked to people - on both sides of the aisle, here - who have proposed the idea that Left and Right are irreconcilable, and should just divide America into two and run it their way. But they completely ignore or aren't aware that it's not 1865 anymore and our political lines are no longer neatly geographic. The Urban-Rural divide has become the predominant factor in determining how you vote (suburban varies more widely), rather than North-South or East-West or anything simple. We couldn't just break the country up like a wishbone without ludicrous amounts of forced relocation, at minimum. For example, in this case are they just going to bludgeon the entirety of Dallas and Houston into compliance, who are almost certainly not onboard with this insanity?
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Dec 12, 2020 9:22:53 GMT -5
Knowing that I'm not objective myself, I would class Whembly as tribal, but not a 'culture warrior'. The second is the real problem and poison on Dakka, because the no direct politics ban doesn't stop them. Whembly is not the problem of Dakka now, but the mods are unwilling to recognize that. Moving politics might move Whembly off Dakka, but its not taking out the infection that exists there now, it won't reduce acrimony, because the people doing it revel in it. Oh, definitely. I'm pretty sure he cares a lot about guns, abortions, taxes and geopolitics, and doesn't care much about female space marines, black space marines, and boob armor. I mean, he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm right that makes him an "old-school" republican rather than the new gamergate breed of reactionary culture warrior.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Dec 12, 2020 9:26:22 GMT -5
That might be a stretch. And I don't think secession is something that's going to be happening anytime soon. At least, I hope not. Yeah, it's just not gonna happen. Not unless these idiots want every single corporation to leave Texas and turn us into an economic wasteland.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Dec 12, 2020 9:34:17 GMT -5
Imagine the currents sanctions on Iran... but instead on the Independent Republic of Texas lol.
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