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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jan 5, 2021 18:23:29 GMT -5
No no, they will create a NEW site with all the same people. You know, that way it prevents all the ill will and toxicity from flowing back with those users to Dakka. Sort of like having an off topic forum, but then making an off topic forum for that, this time it will work. Oh, I see. Maybe they could call it "The Wasteland". That's a cool name. "The Wasteland". Oh no, a Wasteland would be much too political for Dakka. They need a sort of room that makes certain people with delicate sensibilities feel secure and have it be politically civil enough to avoid uproarious commentary like: 'is it ok to punch a Nazi?'
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jan 5, 2021 18:50:19 GMT -5
No no, they will create a NEW site with all the same people. Hey, not just all the same people. Everyone who was banned from Dakka can come there too! Nice!
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jan 5, 2021 19:33:39 GMT -5
Ok, but like, if you want to punch a nazi, then like, you're actually just as bad as a nazi.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 5, 2021 21:09:13 GMT -5
Ok, but like, if you want to punch a nazi, then like, you're actually just as bad as a nazi. You know who punched people? Nazis. Boom, mind blown.
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dusa
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Post by dusa on Jan 5, 2021 21:39:04 GMT -5
Hitler did kill Hitler, so Nazis can’t be all that bad.
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Post by hatoflords on Jan 5, 2021 22:25:41 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that, as nice a guy as he is, RiTides is the the iconic representation of the 'well meaning centrist' who just wishes left/right could get along. There's just a certain tone deafness to some of his responses to things and I can't help but feel like no matter how well meaning he wants to be, he's approaching the problem of moderating American (and frankly, British too really) politics from the opposite of a working viewpoint. He's almost too understanding to moderate what will quickly become a battleground for flame baiters and trolls.
It works for a Toy soldier forum that has banned politics. I think he'll become exhausted trying that same mentality on an explicitly for politics board.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Jan 5, 2021 22:43:22 GMT -5
I, too, think he's being a bit optimistic. It's like he's forgotten the history certain posters have. We danced around it in that thread, but the discussions about "bad faith posting" were really about a few very specific posters' habits in particular.
On the other hand, being a separate forum dedicated to politics, RiTides will be able to ban people who go too far. Dakka mods have, understandably, used the argument that they didn't ban people just because they were naughty in the politics threads because those people were otherwise positive contributors in non-politics threads. That opportunity for such people to "balance the scales" won't exist on a purely politics forum.
So, all that said: restrain yourselves. Let it be the Rs that lose their control first and pay for it.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 5, 2021 22:54:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I think ritides is INCREDIBLY naive, especially since he mentioned not wanting (and seemed to expect imo) trump to dominate his new forum.
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Post by hatoflords on Jan 5, 2021 23:00:21 GMT -5
I, too, think he's being a bit optimistic. It's like he's forgotten the history certain posters have. We danced around it in that thread, but the discussions about "bad faith posting" were really about a few very specific posters' habits in particular. I outright stated it and even named names. I've done it in the past too, often expecting a mod to remove the post or issue a temp ban because I'd rather be as candid as I can on that topic because I think some candid truth would have saved politics on Dakka.
I'd have brought up Peregrine or Jasper, but they're among the problem posters who don't post on Dakka anymore and I didn't think it fair to mention them. Whembly could at least respond in thread, which was fair enough given what I was saying about him. Maybe I should have brought it up anyway. Peregrine especially was one of the worst problem posters in latter politics threads and probably just as responsible for making politics unworkable as anyone and Peregrine was a lefty. Watching his demented arguments about the ban itself in the year immediately after it was enacted was what convinced me politics needed to be banned and stay banned. If Whembly was the problem poster of the forum's right, Peregrine was his left-side equivalent. There was also Sothoth (something like that, I'm reaching way back on him, like 2012 back, and can't remember his exact name) but he left Dakka even before politics was banned.
The mods keep treating the issue like it's ideological. Even when specific names and behaviors are brought up and people accused for what they do rather than what they think, it continues to be treated as an ideological issue and asking the mods to behave as 'arbiters of truth.' I've seen that dance on nuts and bolts a couple times now and it's so frustrating to watch the mods seemingly willfully ignore what people are saying.
But what else is new. I'm amazed BaconCat isn't banned with all the shit posting he does, but once great posters like Sebster and Gwar have been banned or quietly left out of frustration and exhaustion with how some people still behave on DakkaDakka. Honestly, I'm kind of amazed at times I'm not banned cause I'm pretty willing to throw down and be a dick when I think someone deserves it. I break Rule #1 on DakkaDakka imo at least once a year these days and can't really fathom why I've never even been talked to about that. In at least once case I can only guess a mod saw my response (check some of the early pages of the ongoing Conspiracy's thread, where I give a very candid response to the guy casually suggesting Sandyhook was a hoax) and chose not to punish me for it.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 6, 2021 0:42:54 GMT -5
holy shit the dems might actually flip the senate. Warnock is up 35k, Ossoff is down only 1.2k, and they're still counting urban area votes. I hoped they would actually pull it off, but I really didn't want to get my hopes up.
Edit: Ossoff down 1.1k in the space of a few minutes.
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Post by dabbler on Jan 6, 2021 0:44:13 GMT -5
Hat, I know for a fact in those political related topics (which sadly includes conspiracy theories now) that mods straight up deleted alerts when someone was doing something decent (like getting up someone saying Sandy Hook was a false flag) without any action in the hope the comment would just fly under everyone else's radar. They'd then bring the shitty behaviour of users who argue in bad faith to the attention of other mods and admin in the relevant mod forum and get told "nah that's not a rule break, you gotta undo that ban/lessen it to a day" etc. The system isn't set up to deal with the bullshit that some users vomit out, much as the US and UK political systems weren't set up for the same. The expectation of decency and all just doesn't work anymore in discussion, but some people don't get that yet
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Post by dabbler on Jan 6, 2021 0:46:38 GMT -5
holy shit the dems might actually flip the senate. Warnock is up 35k, Ossoff is down only 1.2k, and they're still counting urban area votes. I hoped they would actually pull it off, but I really didn't want to get my hopes up. If they go down by a small margin they need to go to the fucking mat on this one. Fight it at every possible level to try and eke out a victory. None of this "oh we're better than them we don't want to make a scene" fuck that if you're down by such a tiny margin, pull out every stop you can to make it back because the function of your country is at stake if you don't
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 6, 2021 0:48:35 GMT -5
holy shit the dems might actually flip the senate. Warnock is up 35k, Ossoff is down only 1.2k, and they're still counting urban area votes. I hoped they would actually pull it off, but I really didn't want to get my hopes up. If they go down by a small margin they need to go to the fucking mat on this one. Fight it at every possible level to try and eke out a victory. None of this "oh we're better than them we don't want to make a scene" fuck that if you're down by such a tiny margin, pull out every stop you can to make it back because the function of your country is at stake if you don't Yeah this needs to be fought over tooth nail especially as there are plans to reintroduce H.R. 1 through H.R. 9 if they win.
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Post by hatoflords on Jan 6, 2021 0:58:52 GMT -5
If Republicans lose, they have no one to blame but themselves. They could have told Trump to fuck off with his election nonsense. Instead, they kept the 'Trump issue' alive even after Trump was out of office, on the back of an invigorated left that could look at Biden winning the state as evidence they could win the Senate races. They could have acted against Trump telling people not to vote in the senate race instead of encouraging it. So whatever. Reap what they sow I guess. And wow, that is close isn't it? Cue up more 'stop the steal drama' I bet. One win I expected, and if it was a loss for the R's in one it would be the senator who was never elected and has done everything to be as divisive and corrupt as possible, all while thumbing her nose at the world. I think Warnock's race was his to lose and his victory I think looked very probable from how the November election results came out. If voters didn't unite around the one R still in the race, the R was gonna lose and it looks like they didn't unite. Ossoff I think I would have preferred though, if only because of Perdue's racist campaign messaging and "I'm a Republican, that's it that's my campaign" politics. I've been watching that race and I still have no real idea what Perdue thinks about anything. Reminds me of a guy who ran in Michigan in 2018 I think. He could talk for 30 minutes and say basically nothing.
EDIT: Checked real quick before bed. NYT is predicting that both seats will go Blue based on urban voting. Suppose we'll probably know in the morning. If the Democrats get that lead in the Senate, it probably won't lead to the kind of bold action progressive's want. I think after the November results the moderates in the Democratic party are properly spooked, but winning a Senate majority, even a narrow one opens the door to a lot of low key things. It stops McConnell from enacting two more years of his bullshit, stops the GOP from being able to play pure obstructionist politics, and if the Democrats can unite around the things they all agree on. Expanding the ACA, anti-corruption legislation, working against Trump's legacy, and if they can work up the spine they can pass Biden's tax reform proposals, which are broadly popular across the country, not just in blue cities.
It's a completely different game and much more optimistic for Democrats 2022 prospects.
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Post by dabbler on Jan 6, 2021 1:04:59 GMT -5
If Dems do win, do we see it not matter because the Dems in purplish states immediately look to their own reelection instead of the good of the country? Or do they actually come together and help out the US
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