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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 14, 2021 14:10:34 GMT -5
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Post by tannhauser42 on Jan 14, 2021 15:54:49 GMT -5
Ouch. I still have three storage tubs full of boxes of Eisenkern from his Kickstarter that I haven't gotten around to assembling. Now I may never will. Half tempted to just toss them, actually.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Jan 14, 2021 16:12:08 GMT -5
Anyone else notice significant slowdown on Facebook and Amazon?
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Post by lonestarr777 on Jan 14, 2021 17:47:14 GMT -5
Ouch. I still have three storage tubs full of boxes of Eisenkern from his Kickstarter that I haven't gotten around to assembling. Now I may never will. Half tempted to just toss them, actually. I was about to suggest selling them and getting your money back, but I wouldn't want the money of whoever would want those models at this point. I was hoping that when the world returns to normal I might have enough of my army painted to go to a tournament, but honestly, everything I hear from Dakkadakka and just how bad things are, I'm actually leery about the idea of it. I never got into the whole "EVERYTHING MUST BE FUCKING AWFUL!" mindset that some neckbeards have about 40k. I always liked the humanity shining through, like Ciaphas Cain, and the chapters of Space Marines who weren't completely nuckfuts. And now I'm actually really happy I didn't go down that rabbit hole cause that seems to lead to goosestepping.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jan 14, 2021 17:53:53 GMT -5
I love the DakkaDakka right wingers "Fuck your cancel culture! Now delete this message he personally made public off Dakka so we can go back to talking about his models!"
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jan 14, 2021 18:02:15 GMT -5
And now I'm actually really happy I didn't go down that rabbit hole cause that seems to lead to goosestepping. These people goose stepped into the hobby and are now screaming at everyone in confusion why we don't worship the perfect IoM, which is doing what must be done TM.
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Post by squidhills on Jan 14, 2021 19:02:13 GMT -5
And now I'm actually really happy I didn't go down that rabbit hole cause that seems to lead to goosestepping. These people goose stepped into the hobby and are now screaming at everyone in confusion why we don't worship the perfect IoM, which is doing what must be done TM. I am seriously bummed out by the increase in mask-off fascists and un-ironic Nazis in this hobby these days. When I got into 40K, way back when the glaciers receded at the end of the last Ice Age, you didn't see so many out-and-proud fascists goose-stepping around the old 4'x8'. Sure, you'd get the occasional edgelord jackass who thought making a KKK-themed Space Marine army was cool, but nobody ever played that guy. Either the player base was too woke to game with such an unsubtle racist, or the base was at least smart enough to know that the rest of us would shun anyone who agreed to play him, and so jackasses like that stayed firmly in a tiny, tiny minority.
But now, over the last twelve years (with a sharp increase since 2016) I've seen more and more obvious far-right, Nazi-adjacent (or just full-on Nazi) players. This shit is bad and needs to stop. Of course, there's no easy way to push the Nazis out... the IoM lore glorifies the same things they love, but they are too blind to realize the IoM is a failed state. As long as the game has the IoM, it's going to have an appeal for the fash. But 40K without the IoM isn't really 40K, is it?
Does the UK see the same issue on their side of the Atlantic? Or is it just the US that is breeding Nazi 40K players?
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Jan 14, 2021 19:48:09 GMT -5
And now Mark Mondragon’s post is gone from Facebook.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jan 14, 2021 20:11:58 GMT -5
Reposting this here in case Dakka mods do as Dakka mods do. i.imgur.com/Jh6xAlt.pngMark Mondragon is a MAGA guy, and apparently a pretty fiery one. I think all his (and WGA’s) prospective customers should know this ahead of time. That said, I don’t plan to cancel my Eisenkern preorder because that was done through RDG Games and so far as I can tell they are just selling as a storefront, and MM has already had his cut. This reeks of desperation and I like that. They will "sensor" his speech, guys!
Most leftist Free Software advocates have been screaming in the void about how a centralized, privatized Internet was bad and were ignored. Suddenly, people are waking up to the power given to big tech companies because Trump was banned (literal thousands if not millions of other people where banned but they never noticed, somehow), but instead of going to Mastodon, they just repeat the same centralized shit, except instead of a big company you get a group of technically incompetent political zealots with shitty far-right opinions. What could possibly go wrong???
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Post by tannhauser42 on Jan 14, 2021 20:20:46 GMT -5
These people goose stepped into the hobby and are now screaming at everyone in confusion why we don't worship the perfect IoM, which is doing what must be done TM. I am seriously bummed out by the increase in mask-off fascists and un-ironic Nazis in this hobby these days. When I got into 40K, way back when the glaciers receded at the end of the last Ice Age, you didn't see so many out-and-proud fascists goose-stepping around the old 4'x8'. Sure, you'd get the occasional edgelord jackass who thought making a KKK-themed Space Marine army was cool, but nobody ever played that guy. Either the player base was too woke to game with such an unsubtle racist, or the base was at least smart enough to know that the rest of us would shun anyone who agreed to play him, and so jackasses like that stayed firmly in a tiny, tiny minority.
But now, over the last twelve years (with a sharp increase since 2016) I've seen more and more obvious far-right, Nazi-adjacent (or just full-on Nazi) players. This shit is bad and needs to stop. Of course, there's no easy way to push the Nazis out... the IoM lore glorifies the same things they love, but they are too blind to realize the IoM is a failed state. As long as the game has the IoM, it's going to have an appeal for the fash. But 40K without the IoM isn't really 40K, is it?
Does the UK see the same issue on their side of the Atlantic? Or is it just the US that is breeding Nazi 40K players?
I feel like a lot of these people saying this stuff online are really just internet trolls, saying stuff solely to get a rise out of others for grins and giggles. That certainly still reflects very poorly on their qualities as a human being, though. The problem, however, is sorting the trolls from the believers. You can't, because they both say the same things.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Jan 14, 2021 20:29:50 GMT -5
And he’s replied on Dakka. From his reply, it sounds like he probably deleted his Facebook thread.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jan 14, 2021 21:45:40 GMT -5
These people goose stepped into the hobby and are now screaming at everyone in confusion why we don't worship the perfect IoM, which is doing what must be done TM. I am seriously bummed out by the increase in mask-off fascists and un-ironic Nazis in this hobby these days. When I got into 40K, way back when the glaciers receded at the end of the last Ice Age, you didn't see so many out-and-proud fascists goose-stepping around the old 4'x8'. Sure, you'd get the occasional edgelord jackass who thought making a KKK-themed Space Marine army was cool, but nobody ever played that guy. Either the player base was too woke to game with such an unsubtle racist, or the base was at least smart enough to know that the rest of us would shun anyone who agreed to play him, and so jackasses like that stayed firmly in a tiny, tiny minority. But now, over the last twelve years (with a sharp increase since 2016) I've seen more and more obvious far-right, Nazi-adjacent (or just full-on Nazi) players. This shit is bad and needs to stop. Of course, there's no easy way to push the Nazis out... the IoM lore glorifies the same things they love, but they are too blind to realize the IoM is a failed state. As long as the game has the IoM, it's going to have an appeal for the fash. But 40K without the IoM isn't really 40K, is it? Does the UK see the same issue on their side of the Atlantic? Or is it just the US that is breeding Nazi 40K players?
Don't say that on dakka, you've be banned for rule 1, "Be polite!" And yes, the irony has not been lost on anyone that Nazis and their ilk are allowed there so long as they're politely being Nazis.
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Post by hatoflords on Jan 14, 2021 23:09:18 GMT -5
Honestly, the response on Dakkadakka is typical Libertarian swill. "I stand for my principles and right to say whatever I want except when I suddenly find it inconvenient." His DakkaDakka post is tame enough, but the obvious backpedaling reveals his principles are less important than other concerns. So, basically a Libertarian. The paragons of an absolute freedom theory that completely falls apart when applied to the real world that they brandy about while constantly knowing it doesn't work and is mostly just a way to repackage socially unacceptable things into something with a facade of nobility. It's amazing how he cruises over the hypocrisy of 'Facebook shouldn't silence people I like' while arguing they have the right to refuse service to anyone they want. Because Libertarianism is a contradictory and utterly incoherent bundle of nonsense when we really get down to.
I can't help but wonder if the real lasting appeal of Libertarian ideology is that it allows you to adopt whatever set principles is most appropriate for expressing righteous indignation at the current situation, even when they collectively make no sense. I was unshocked that he mentioned Ron Paul, the cornerstone of "I have principles like Hollywood starlets have fashion accessories" party.
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Post by theauldgrump on Jan 15, 2021 1:55:01 GMT -5
Surprising no one, except Rudy Giuliani.
The Auld Grump
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Post by theauldgrump on Jan 15, 2021 1:57:36 GMT -5
Reposting this here in case Dakka mods do as Dakka mods do. i.imgur.com/Jh6xAlt.pngMark Mondragon is a MAGA guy, and apparently a pretty fiery one. I think all his (and WGA’s) prospective customers should know this ahead of time. That said, I don’t plan to cancel my Eisenkern preorder because that was done through RDG Games and so far as I can tell they are just selling as a storefront, and MM has already had his cut. Well, [*CLUNK!*].
I love his models, but, yeah... done with him.
The Auld Grump
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