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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 18:41:22 GMT -5
Nobody is taking or adding any rights to anyone.
They are just deciding how many resources to allocate to process legal applications. So why not do it for other areas?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 18:56:57 GMT -5
Nobody is taking or adding any rights to anyone. They are just deciding how many resources to allocate to process legal applications. So why not do it for other areas? I don't disagree with you there. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 18:59:32 GMT -5
Immigrants (legal or otherwise) don't get that right. Incorrect again. It depends on the type of immigrant.
In fact, all you have to be is a legal resident. For a non citizen non resident you have to have a hunting license as well. (This is a bit of a legal grey area and may, in fact, be unconstitutional, but AFAIK has never been challenged)
As far as other rights go, due to the wording, the Constitution uses 'person' rather than 'citizen' in many places, meaning the law applies to everyone, not just citizens.
Voting is the only right that the Constitution specifically reserves for citizens.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 26, 2018 19:14:14 GMT -5
And running for office.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 19:22:36 GMT -5
Immigrants (legal or otherwise) don't get that right. Incorrect again. It depends on the type of immigrant.
In fact, all you have to be is a legal resident. For a non citizen non resident you have to have a hunting license as well. (This is a bit of a legal grey area and may, in fact, be unconstitutional, but AFAIK has never been challenged)
As far as other rights go, due to the wording, the Constitution uses 'person' rather than 'citizen' in many places, meaning the law applies to everyone, not just citizens.
Voting is the only right that the Constitution specifically reserves for citizens.
Huh... I thought non-citizen wouldn't pass the background check. Learn something new every day. I think Voting rights and running for public office clause is only for federal positions. I seemed to remember that there was a New Mexico/California (or both!) state politician who wasn't a US citizen... |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 26, 2018 21:38:48 GMT -5
Yes, ignore the point that you blatantly supported, and the fact that over 100,000 people enter through there, and I'm sure the group of people the border patrol had to deal with was TOTALLY unmanageable unless they resorted to violence. I'm ignoring this point because it's irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that it wasn't about claiming asylum (as Mexico offered it to them originally) and they've actually tried to bum rush the point of entry. It's a meaningless point. You came in here to claim that we shouldn't be tear gassing an unruly crowd trying to bum rush a point of entry. I responded by saying that the exact same thing happened in 2013, where the border agents also tear gassed them. Yet, Obama was potus at the time... so, it must have been kosher? MS13 are bad enough. ...and yes, the cartels are a serious problem. You know why they don't seek asylum in Mexico? Because the cartels control enough of the country for asylum there to be pointless. They can't REALLY offer asylum AND protect them. Cops normally get a choice of taking a bribe, or a bullet. And no, I came here to claim tear gassing those who are NOT rushing the border patrol is excessive force. also, no one was rushing the border patrol, they were rushing to get across the border so they could claim asylum after they were arrested because they were otherwise looking at several MONTHS wait time. This sounds like a right wing soundbyte you're spewing again because it sounds better than "the U.S. immigration process is total bullshit for those fleeing for their lives." Most take the bribe. Also, this and this is relevant in the context your Orange God talked about MS-13. They might be a problem, but they're not swarming over the border, nor will tougher immigration measures stop them. MS-13 really isn't this all consuming, all destroying organization that trump makes them out to be, that's just fearmongering you've fallen for. Incorrect again. It depends on the type of immigrant. In fact, all you have to be is a legal resident. For a non citizen non resident you have to have a hunting license as well. (This is a bit of a legal grey area and may, in fact, be unconstitutional, but AFAIK has never been challenged)
As far as other rights go, due to the wording, the Constitution uses 'person' rather than 'citizen' in many places, meaning the law applies to everyone, not just citizens.
Voting is the only right that the Constitution specifically reserves for citizens.
Huh... I thought non-citizen wouldn't pass the background check. Learn something new every day. I think Voting rights and running for public office clause is only for federal positions. I seemed to remember that there was a New Mexico/California (or both!) state politician who wasn't a US citizen... I did a quick google search, couldn't find anything that supports that claim. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 22:38:47 GMT -5
I'm ignoring this point because it's irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that it wasn't about claiming asylum (as Mexico offered it to them originally) and they've actually tried to bum rush the point of entry. It's a meaningless point. You came in here to claim that we shouldn't be tear gassing an unruly crowd trying to bum rush a point of entry. I responded by saying that the exact same thing happened in 2013, where the border agents also tear gassed them. Yet, Obama was potus at the time... so, it must have been kosher? MS13 are bad enough. ...and yes, the cartels are a serious problem. You know why they don't seek asylum in Mexico? Because the cartels control enough of the country for asylum there to be pointless. They can't REALLY offer asylum AND protect them. Cops normally get a choice of taking a bribe, or a bullet. And no, I came here to claim tear gassing those who are NOT rushing the border patrol is excessive force. also, no one was rushing the border patrol, they were rushing to get across the border so they could claim asylum after they were arrested because they were otherwise looking at several MONTHS wait time. This sounds like a right wing soundbyte you're spewing again because it sounds better than "the U.S. immigration process is total bullshit for those fleeing for their lives." Most take the bribe. Also, this and this is relevant in the context your Orange God talked about MS-13. They might be a problem, but they're not swarming over the border, nor will tougher immigration measures stop them. MS-13 really isn't this all consuming, all destroying organization that trump makes them out to be, that's just fearmongering you've fallen for. They were given every opportunity by Mexico for asylum, housing, school/medical and jobs. Its hard to given them a benefit of doubt that these are legit asylum cases. Again, bum rushing the entrance is not acceptable. Period. I was wrong... not mayoral, but other CA state government positions: www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-commissions-huntington-park-20150802-story.html |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 26, 2018 22:46:52 GMT -5
You know why they don't seek asylum in Mexico? Because the cartels control enough of the country for asylum there to be pointless. They can't REALLY offer asylum AND protect them. Cops normally get a choice of taking a bribe, or a bullet. And no, I came here to claim tear gassing those who are NOT rushing the border patrol is excessive force. also, no one was rushing the border patrol, they were rushing to get across the border so they could claim asylum after they were arrested because they were otherwise looking at several MONTHS wait time. This sounds like a right wing soundbyte you're spewing again because it sounds better than "the U.S. immigration process is total bullshit for those fleeing for their lives." Most take the bribe. Also, this and this is relevant in the context your Orange God talked about MS-13. They might be a problem, but they're not swarming over the border, nor will tougher immigration measures stop them. MS-13 really isn't this all consuming, all destroying organization that trump makes them out to be, that's just fearmongering you've fallen for. They were given every opportunity by Mexico for asylum, housing, school/medical and jobs. Its hard to given them a benefit of doubt that these are legit asylum cases. I was wrong... not mayoral, but other CA state government positions: www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-commissions-huntington-park-20150802-story.htmlDid you miss that part about how unstable and dangerous Mexico is? Asylum there isn't really asylum when the cartels run most things, and the police are all pretty much corrupt. It'd be like seeking asylum in the middle of an active war zone basically, except in a war zone at least you can tell who's trying to kill you. What part of this is so hard to understand? The article about California is interesting though. Also, in other news Manafort just got a fourth strike I believe: www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/mueller-says-manafort-lied-after-pleading-guilty-should-be-sentenced-immediately/2018/11/26/61c76d5a-f18d-11e8-aeea-b85fd44449f5_story.html? |
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Nov 27, 2018 4:15:53 GMT -5
At this point would you object to apartheid if it was being pushed by team red? I favor countries can maintain their own borders as they see fit. So, Whem supported apartheid in South Africa. After all, that was just South Africa maintaining their borders as they see fit. Mind you, so did Reagan so not surprising. He also supported the Berlin Wall, it was just East Germany maintaining their borders as they saw fit. Odd, Reagan didn't. And he supported Nazi Germany invading europe and building the atlantic wall as it was just the reich maintaining its borders as it saw fit. Most of America didn't and many died to stop it but I guess they were in the wrong. And the DMZ splitting families between North and South Korea as it is just North Korea maintaining its borders as it sees fit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 9:43:32 GMT -5
I favor countries can maintain their own borders as they see fit. So, Whem supported apartheid in South Africa. After all, that was just South Africa maintaining their borders as they see fit. Mind you, so did Reagan so not surprising. He also supported the Berlin Wall, it was just East Germany maintaining their borders as they saw fit. Odd, Reagan didn't. And he supported Nazi Germany invading europe and building the atlantic wall as it was just the reich maintaining its borders as it saw fit. Most of America didn't and many died to stop it but I guess they were in the wrong. And the DMZ splitting families between North and South Korea as it is just North Korea maintaining its borders as it sees fit. Geez... tribalism at it's worst. Good job chap! |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 27, 2018 9:49:50 GMT -5
Is that coming from the guy who blindly supports tear gassing kids because it's his team and Israel because they "maintain control of their border" or some such?
Ironic.
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Post by laughingman on Nov 27, 2018 12:11:35 GMT -5
Ah, condemning people critiquing a policy of keeping the brown folks out as tribalism. Classic whembly.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 27, 2018 12:48:39 GMT -5
So, Whem supported apartheid in South Africa. After all, that was just South Africa maintaining their borders as they see fit. Mind you, so did Reagan so not surprising. He also supported the Berlin Wall, it was just East Germany maintaining their borders as they saw fit. Odd, Reagan didn't. And he supported Nazi Germany invading europe and building the atlantic wall as it was just the reich maintaining its borders as it saw fit. Most of America didn't and many died to stop it but I guess they were in the wrong. And the DMZ splitting families between North and South Korea as it is just North Korea maintaining its borders as it sees fit. Geez... tribalism at it's worst. Good job chap! That's not tribalism, that's reductio ad absurdum. It's showing that "maintaining borders as they see fit" has led to some extremely dark policies, both historically and present day. I don't know you, I don't know what motivates you. But I have to tell you that you come across as a cheerleader for authoritarianism. |
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 27, 2018 14:54:37 GMT -5
"Keep southern lands your rapists poor!" cries he
With silent lips. "Give me your rich, not poor,
Your liquid assets, yearning to be free,
Your strong, and fit, your healthiest but no more,
Send these, the handsome, worry-less to me,
I'll lock their cash behind a golden door!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:54:39 GMT -5
Is that coming from the guy who blindly supports tear gassing kids because it's his team Coming from a guy who doesn't realize the vast majority of these people are working age men. They're a soverign nation protecting their border where both sides have done shitty things. Doesn't work like that homie. |
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