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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:56:05 GMT -5
Ah, condemning people critiquing a policy of keeping the brown folks out as tribalism. Classic whembly. Always resorting to:  Do better. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:57:34 GMT -5
Geez... tribalism at it's worst. Good job chap! That's not tribalism, that's reductio ad absurdum. It's showing that "maintaining borders as they see fit" has led to some extremely dark policies, both historically and present day. I don't know you, I don't know what motivates you. But I have to tell you that you come across as a cheerleader for authoritarianism. We're a nation of laws. You don't get to bum rush the border to illegally try to cross the border and expect some empathy here. That's not authoritarianism. |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 27, 2018 15:09:34 GMT -5
That's not tribalism, that's reductio ad absurdum. It's showing that "maintaining borders as they see fit" has led to some extremely dark policies, both historically and present day. I don't know you, I don't know what motivates you. But I have to tell you that you come across as a cheerleader for authoritarianism. We're a nation of laws. Blindly supporting laws without consideration is authoritarianism You don't get to bum rush the border to illegally try to cross the border and expect some empathy here. You are objecting to the process based it's legal status, without any consideration for the reality of the situation for the 1000s of people stuck in the situation. Are you a robot? I favor countries can maintain their own borders as they see fit. That is textbook authoritarianism, broheim. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 15:17:45 GMT -5
Blindly supporting laws without consideration is authoritarianism We're not blindly following the law. In fact, I think the current tactic of letting Asylum seekers and telling them to wait in Mexico will be challenged in court. Irrevelant. There's a process... no matter how shitty it may be, it's *the* process. Bum rushing the border in attempt to overrun the entry is not the way to do this. People do not have a right to cross borders just because.... bro. |
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Post by tannhauser42 on Nov 27, 2018 15:34:42 GMT -5
And I'm sure you obey every single one of them on your drive to and from work every day. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 27, 2018 16:24:51 GMT -5
Is that coming from the guy who blindly supports tear gassing kids because it's his team Coming from a guy who doesn't realize the vast majority of these people are working age men. They're a soverign nation protecting their border where both sides have done shitty things. Doesn't work like that homie. You got any proof of that? Most of the asylum seekers seem to be women or children. Although, knowing you, you're stretching the definition of "working age" to what it meant in the early 1900s. Also, in this case saying "that's racist!" is accurate. It's been trump's primary tactic to stir up his base. He's been spouting racist shit since day 1. Did you miss the muslim travel ban? Or the multiple times where he's called Mexicans all criminals or rapists or animals? Or the shithole comment? Or any of the million other things in his past? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 16:40:01 GMT -5
And I'm sure you obey every single one of them on your drive to and from work every day. Irrelevant. Does the US (or any other country) have an obligation to anyone who wants to emigrate? Or should we look for people who are likely to make a positive contribution to our society or has valid legit asylum situations? Every country has immigration laws. The laws of the US, as it happens, is currently dang generous. We currently allow into the country about one million legal immigrants a year. The rate of illegal immigration, which is estimated to be roughly two to three times that. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 27, 2018 16:47:42 GMT -5
Wasn't that what America was founded on? Something about "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore"?
Also, where are you getting that 2-3 million per year? I cannot find anything on that, and it smells strongly of bullshit because I'm pretty sure that's something trump said and now you're repeating it without even trying to verify it.
In fact, as of 2017, there were only 303,916 apprehensions, most of which were people presenting themselves for asylum. Previously in 2000, the peak was 1.64 million roughly, that's an ~87% decline.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 27, 2018 17:05:37 GMT -5
And I'm sure you obey every single one of them on your drive to and from work every day. Irrelevant. Does the US (or any other country) have an obligation to anyone who wants to emigrate? Or should we look for people who are likely to make a positive contribution to our society or has valid legit asylum situations? Oh, my bad. Not just authoritarian but also eugenicist. "Dang generous" is highly debatable, especially considering we are talking about the world's richest nation. 1,000,000 immigrants, that's roughly .0027% of your population each year. Canada accepts about 250,000 immigrants a year with 1/10th of the total population. And we've around and around before about how illegal labour forms the backbone of your economy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 17:34:10 GMT -5
Does the US (or any other country) have an obligation to anyone who wants to emigrate?
Germany does. Israel does, with certain caveats. Depending on the situation, the US does, both domestically and under treaty.
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Post by adurot on Nov 27, 2018 18:30:45 GMT -5
Did Trump just kill GM?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 27, 2018 18:31:25 GMT -5
Well, Obama saved it, and trump is committed to undoing everything Obama had a hand in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 18:31:49 GMT -5
Does the US (or any other country) have an obligation to anyone who wants to emigrate?
Germany does. Israel does, with certain caveats. Depending on the situation, the US does, both domestically and under treaty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 18:33:15 GMT -5
Irrelevant. Does the US (or any other country) have an obligation to anyone who wants to emigrate? Or should we look for people who are likely to make a positive contribution to our society or has valid legit asylum situations? Oh, my bad. Not just authoritarian but also eugenicist. How on earth did you get that? You cray. Please stop being cray. And? lol...no. |
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Nov 27, 2018 18:52:04 GMT -5
There's a process... no matter how shitty it may be, it's *the* process. Quotes that only apply for events happening to “other” people. |
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