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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 19:39:53 GMT -5
America didn't descend into civil war when they banned alcohol, and that shit can be actually addictive. The first time they did it, they actually did. |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 28, 2018 19:43:16 GMT -5
"State's Rights" was about alcohol?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 19:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by carlo87 on Nov 28, 2018 20:05:55 GMT -5
To be fair everyone kind of kept drinking anyway. Except no one is going to take away all the guns. And I don't think there's nearly as many people committed to having guns at all costs as some like to pretend.
Yeah, I bet you're right. Many people would hide their guns and claim they lost them, and there would soon be a flourishing underground arms industry. But the actual numbers of "From mah cold dead hands!!!" types would be low. I'd think it's be low...initially. Ruby Ridge inspired the Branch Davidians to gun-up. Waco then inspired several other groups. I wouldn't be surprised if 7 or 8 of these incidents happened in the first year of any kind of prohibition. At that point the doomsayers' opinions are almost self fulfilling. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 20:09:37 GMT -5
Yeah, many of the folks that claim “the government is gonna come at us bro” are gonna flex and scream “come at me bro”, and then bitch because “I told you they would come at us bro”.
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Post by carlo87 on Nov 28, 2018 20:10:11 GMT -5
It's not that the right has only made a "tiny step" it's just relative to the left's shift. No, by any measure the right has taken a pretty giant step. 5-10 years ago a nazi openly running for office would have NEVER had a chance, but this time he got something like 25% of the vote. Right wing terrorism has increased by a huge amount, something like 37 of the 65 terrorist incidents were committed by people with right wing ideologies, which is a little more than 53%, combined with the fact that the U.S. had an overall increase in fatalities from terrorist attacks while the world in general had a decrease. That's doesn't mesh with "the right has only taken a little step." My point is saying the right has only moved a little is stupid and blatantly wrong. As lonestarr777 said: If a 'tiny step' is all it takes for the Right to accept authoritarian ideals and dangerous alt right views then please forgive me for being terrified of a 'leap'. The extreme fringe elements of the right are not the whole. 30 years ago do you think even left-leaning politicians, as a whole, would have supported gay marriage, trans rights, or any other anecdotal mirror?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 20:11:36 GMT -5
that implies that the center hasn’t shifted as well.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 28, 2018 20:11:59 GMT -5
No, by any measure the right has taken a pretty giant step. 5-10 years ago a nazi openly running for office would have NEVER had a chance, but this time he got something like 25% of the vote. Right wing terrorism has increased by a huge amount, something like 37 of the 65 terrorist incidents were committed by people with right wing ideologies, which is a little more than 53%, combined with the fact that the U.S. had an overall increase in fatalities from terrorist attacks while the world in general had a decrease. That's doesn't mesh with "the right has only taken a little step." My point is saying the right has only moved a little is stupid and blatantly wrong. As lonestarr777 said: The extreme fringe elements of the right are not the whole. 30 years ago do you think even left-leaning politicians, as a whole, would have supported gay marriage, trans rights, or any other anecdotal mirror?
You're right, the fringe is NOT the whole, but the closer people move to the fringe, the more people ACTUALLY move to the fringe. That's what the terrorism numbers indicate. And I'd agree with Dusa, the center has moved left, the only people left opposing gay marriage, or trans rights (or anyone's rights for that matter) are the republicans for the most part. |
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Post by carlo87 on Nov 28, 2018 20:12:43 GMT -5
Yeah, many of the folks that claim “the government is gonna come at us bro” are gonna flex and scream “come at me bro”, and then bitch because “I told you they would come at us bro”. And that's kind of a problem. Humans as a species tend to clan up. All it takes is a little frat boy mentality, and a single leader that is either REALLY dedicated, really crazy, or totally delusional to keep them all together and cause a hell of a mess. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 20:12:46 GMT -5
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Post by carlo87 on Nov 28, 2018 20:19:43 GMT -5
It's not that the right has only made a "tiny step" it's just relative to the left's shift. No, by any measure the right has taken a pretty giant step. 5-10 years ago a nazi openly running for office would have NEVER had a chance, but this time he got something like 25% of the vote. Right wing terrorism has increased by a huge amount, something like 37 of the 65 terrorist incidents were committed by people with right wing ideologies, which is a little more than 53%, combined with the fact that the U.S. had an overall increase in fatalities from terrorist attacks while the world in general had a decrease. That's doesn't mesh with "the right has only taken a little step." My point is saying the right has only moved a little is stupid and blatantly wrong. As lonestarr777 said: If a 'tiny step' is all it takes for the Right to accept authoritarian ideals and dangerous alt right views then please forgive me for being terrified of a 'leap'. The "Nazi" running was a Republican in name only. He was denounced and unfunded by the republican party who were legally unable to get him off the Republican ticket. Yeah, it's bad. But it's not like voting a known scumbag into office is a right-only thing. Democrats seemed to like a drug-dealing crack-head as mayor. Also our liberal neighbors to the north did the same.
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Post by carlo87 on Nov 28, 2018 20:21:32 GMT -5
Thank god for this. Civil Forfeiture laws are dumb as shit, especially when a person isn't guilty and loose their stuff anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 20:22:41 GMT -5
25% percent voted for the Nazi.
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Post by carlo87 on Nov 28, 2018 20:26:45 GMT -5
25% percent voted for the Nazi. I'd like to believe that that is likely the idiots that like to vote for anything with an "R" next to its name. They, and their Democratic supporting counterparts shouldn't exist. I almost want all voting papers to not have party affiliations next to them, and list names in a random order. Then get rid of strait-party voting. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 28, 2018 20:27:28 GMT -5
No, by any measure the right has taken a pretty giant step. 5-10 years ago a nazi openly running for office would have NEVER had a chance, but this time he got something like 25% of the vote. Right wing terrorism has increased by a huge amount, something like 37 of the 65 terrorist incidents were committed by people with right wing ideologies, which is a little more than 53%, combined with the fact that the U.S. had an overall increase in fatalities from terrorist attacks while the world in general had a decrease. That's doesn't mesh with "the right has only taken a little step." My point is saying the right has only moved a little is stupid and blatantly wrong. As lonestarr777 said: The "Nazi" running was a Republican in name only. He was denounced and unfunded by the republican party who were legally unable to get him off the Republican ticket. Yeah, it's bad. But it's not like voting a known scumbag into office is a right-only thing. Democrats seemed to like a drug-dealing crack-head as mayor. Also our liberal neighbors to the north did the same.
So, how does that mesh with the fact 25% still voted for him. And stop with the whataboutism. |
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