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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:18:13 GMT -5
Should have figured that when you commented on Trump's comment shouldn't I? Guess I've been brain storming the other thing too much cause those numbers are coming up in lots of reports. I'm probably about ready for Mueller to either be done or just get on with it. At this point he either has evidence that the administration did something naughty before it was the administration, or we're simply reaffirming that you know who is surrounded by his own swamp, which isn't really new information. A year ago it looked like Trump Jr. was as high as the totem would go and that hasn't really changed since (unless Mueller has something big but there haven't been any indications he does). Don't forget that Mueller's team has charged Russian intelligence/operatives in influencing the elections. So, by any measure his team is doing a good job, even if there's a near zero chance that those perps would see the insides of a US court. Fundamentally, I don't think Mueller has anything on Trump himself, other than showing how skeevy some of the folks in Trump's orbit and netting process crimes of folks caught lying to the feds. The word collusion need to be clarified... it should be criminal conspiracy. Mueller's team has to show some sort of criminal conspiracy between foreign powers and the trump campaign. (criminal conspiracy means two or more people agreeing to break the law). That law that Mueller is most likely looking for is conspiring with Russian to hack Podesta's & DNC email server. So, it'd be interesting to see if they were able to ascertain how wikileak got the hack. That's the whole legal aspect... and honestly I don't think he has anything major. Here's why: -you know those various Trump folks pleading guilty? (Flynn, PapaG, Cohen, Manafort, etc..) None of them plead guilty to specific significant conspiracy charges with the Trump (or his campaign). -Re: Cohen... Mueller may have enough to get Trump for Cohen paying off his cheats. But, that's an FEC violation (not disclosing $$ as campaign expenditures) which really doesn't rise to a major impeachment-level scandal really. (this barely was news worthy: www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784)However, I *do* think Mueller could find something not illegal, but shady as all fuck, such that he can include in his final report to basically say to Congress "here you go, you figure out to impeach him". The threshold to impeach is really at Congress' discretion. At that point, a certain calculus by Democrats would need to be done to see if it's worth impeaching him in the House knowing that the Senate would never remove him. I think it'd definitely damage Trump's re-election efforts... sure, it'll galvanize his base... but, he needs so much more than his base to get re-elected. (I don't think this'll be the same dynamic as Bill Clinton's impeachment). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:22:38 GMT -5
To be fair, Mueller's team leaks NOTHING. We can only guess at what he knows, and that it's a lot more than we do. The only time we get stuff from him is when an indictment is unsealed and someone gets arrested, by which time they've probably been sitting on the indictment for awhile.
That's true and Mueller's produced a lot relative to other investigations like his. I'm just ready to be done with it. It's old. It was old when we were a month into it really, and the chances of the earth shattering result some want are way out there for me. Unless Mueller has something real ground breaking I think he's at the end of his rope and investigations shouldn't be dragged out well past their time just because certain people don't like the results.
I agree... but, I'm sure Mueller's team is trying to be exhaustive as possible. It could also be a dynamic of the fact that the special counsel is impaneled to investigate a specific crime as defined by the mandate drafted by the DOJ (in this case Rosenstien). Whereas, a normal prosecutor wouldn't go this far, as they'll likely drop it if they can't determine the underlining crime. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 29, 2018 11:24:30 GMT -5
Whem so long as you continue to argue in bad faith we'll keep calling you out on it. You don't deserve politeness after you've done this shit for years. You deserve to be called out as the cancer you are.
Also, I made the thread because you said you'd own up to any bad faith posting you'd done, and yet all you do is post in bad faith there and call logical fallacies or flat out lies "differing view points."
Ironic isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:29:44 GMT -5
Whem so long as you continue to argue in bad faith we'll keep calling you out on it. You don't deserve politeness after you've done this shit for years. You deserve to be called out as the cancer you are. Also, I made the thread because you said you'd own up to any bad faith posting you'd done, and yet all you do is post in bad faith there and call logical fallacies or flat out lies "differing view points." Ironic isn't it?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:31:23 GMT -5
Obstruction of Justice is an easy thing to find, and doesn’t require that Trump criminally conspired with anyone.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 29, 2018 11:32:19 GMT -5
Case in point. Why engage when you can defend your fragile snowflake self whem?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:32:32 GMT -5
With regards with the news of Cohen's plea agreement with Mueller today.
This here is probably the first time I think Trump is in really big trouble...
There might not have been anything wrong with working on a new Trump Tower property in Moscow, legally speaking... after all, Trump was still a private-sector businessman until Election Night (that most people didn't think he'd win). Politically, though... it looks bad, and it ties him to Russian interests that commingle with the Russian government. Even in a straight-up business deal, that looks bad...which you have to believe is likely the reason why Cohen lied about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:33:31 GMT -5
Case in point. Why engage when you can defend your fragile snowflake self whem? Until you engage honestly, you're just trolling me. Ergo: |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:35:06 GMT -5
Obstruction of Justice is an easy thing to find, and doesn’t require that Trump criminally conspired with anyone. You mean you think Trump asked Cohen to lie? Yeah...that'd be huge and would warrant impeachment imo. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 29, 2018 11:37:07 GMT -5
Case in point. Why engage when you can defend your fragile snowflake self whem? Until you engage honestly, you're just trolling me. Ergo: When haven't I? You're the one who refuses to reply to any of the points I made. I even provided you with handy links to the posts in question AND what fallacy or reason it was for being bad faith arguments. You're the only one here not willing to engage honestly. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:42:14 GMT -5
Until you engage honestly, you're just trolling me. Ergo: When haven't I? You're the one who refuses to reply to any of the points I made. I even provided you with handy links to the posts in question AND what fallacy or reason it was for being bad faith arguments. You're the only one here not willing to engage honestly. Everytime I've tried in that other thread and you've deflected. Just pick something there, bring it to my attention and we'll tango. Otherwise, you're just using it as a crudgel and I'll just throw it back at ya. |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 29, 2018 11:52:48 GMT -5
For my American friends: Canadian Liberal political party is liberal in name only. Depending on the province, they range somewhere between "centre-leftish" and "right-without the religious stuff". Our left wing political party is called the New Democrat Party, and they, again depending on the province, range between "as far left as you can get while still being politically viable", and "centre-leftish". Even our conservatives, the Progressive Conservative Party, is more akin to your Democrats than the screaming lunacy that the Republicans have become.
Rob Ford, the infamous (now deceased) crack smoking Mayor of Toronto, was affiliated with the Progressive Conservative Party, and ran on a populist "git er dun" message. His brother has doubled down on that nonsense and is currently fucking things up as Premier (~governor) of Ontario.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 29, 2018 12:02:35 GMT -5
For my American friends: Canadian Liberal political party is liberal in name only. Depending on the province, they range somewhere between "centre-leftish" and "right-without the religious stuff". Our left wing political party is called the New Democrat Party, and they, again depending on the province, range between "as far left as you can get while still being politically viable", and "centre-leftish". Even our conservatives, the Progressive Conservative Party, is more akin to your Democrats than the screaming lunacy that the Republicans have become. Rob Ford, the infamous (now deceased) crack smoking Mayor of Toronto, was affiliated with the Progressive Conservative Party, and ran on a populist "git er dun" message. His brother has doubled down on that nonsense and is currently fucking things up as Premier (~governor) of Ontario. That's just cause liberal in the US (after years of rhetoric) has come to mean something almost opposite to it's technical definition and how it's used elsewhere.
And when did Rob Ford die? I always say if you're going to be shit at what you do, be shit at what you do with pride and that man knew how to get it done!
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 29, 2018 12:06:33 GMT -5
For my American friends: Canadian Liberal political party is liberal in name only. Depending on the province, they range somewhere between "centre-leftish" and "right-without the religious stuff". Our left wing political party is called the New Democrat Party, and they, again depending on the province, range between "as far left as you can get while still being politically viable", and "centre-leftish". Even our conservatives, the Progressive Conservative Party, is more akin to your Democrats than the screaming lunacy that the Republicans have become. Rob Ford, the infamous (now deceased) crack smoking Mayor of Toronto, was affiliated with the Progressive Conservative Party, and ran on a populist "git er dun" message. His brother has doubled down on that nonsense and is currently fucking things up as Premier (~governor) of Ontario. That's just cause liberal in the US (after years of rhetoric) has come to mean something almost opposite to it's technical definition and how it's used elsewhere.
And when did Rob Ford die? I always say if you're going to be shit at what you do, be shit at what you do with pride and that man knew how to get it done!
He died a couple years ago fighting cancer. He wasn't too bad, other than he furthered the "my opinion is just as good as your facts" mindset that I fear is ultimately going to sink our society. I do think he also (inadvertently) took us a step closer to normalizing drug use in our society, which I think is a good thing. Drug use isn't the problem, addiction is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 12:07:02 GMT -5
For my American friends: Canadian Liberal political party is liberal in name only. Depending on the province, they range somewhere between "centre-leftish" and "right-without the religious stuff". Our left wing political party is called the New Democrat Party, and they, again depending on the province, range between "as far left as you can get while still being politically viable", and "centre-leftish". Even our conservatives, the Progressive Conservative Party, is more akin to your Democrats than the screaming lunacy that the Republicans have become. Rob Ford, the infamous (now deceased) crack smoking Mayor of Toronto, was affiliated with the Progressive Conservative Party, and ran on a populist "git er dun" message. His brother has doubled down on that nonsense and is currently fucking things up as Premier (~governor) of Ontario. That's not confusing... /scarc But, then again not surprising. Conservatives in Blue states vote differently than their brethens in Red states. (see SALT deduction caps impacting GOP wins in southern CA). Same as Liberals don't vote the same way in different regions as well. |
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