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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 12:13:08 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest and simply say a lot of people think the issue with politics on dakka wasn't the topic but certain posters who constantly dragged the discussion topic into the muck (you can guess who one of them was). It's quite telling that he's got his own thread dedicated to his dishonest participation in discussions. He's over here now, mostly doing the same things, where the moderation is less ready to pounce and surrounded by users who after years have lost or retain little patience for his style of participation and who blame him in part for why this topic was banned from Dakka at all. Especially at the end, when many of the other problem posters were gone and it was basically just Xenomancers, Peregrine, and Whembly making the topic untenable.
The problem there... and here still... is that when trying to have a discussion fees-fees get involved. Yeah, go fuck yourself, and congratulations on turning this thread into the Whembly show just like the last one. You really are the absolute worst. Can't even ignore you since everyone else quotes you. |
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 29, 2018 12:13:11 GMT -5
That's just cause liberal in the US (after years of rhetoric) has come to mean something almost opposite to it's technical definition and how it's used elsewhere.
And when did Rob Ford die? I always say if you're going to be shit at what you do, be shit at what you do with pride and that man knew how to get it done!
He died a couple years ago fighting cancer. He wasn't too bad, other than he furthered the "my opinion is just as good as your facts" mindset that I fear is ultimately going to sink our society. I do think he also (inadvertently) took us a step closer to normalizing drug use in our society, which I think is a good thing. Drug use isn't the problem, addiction is. Well that sucks. He didn't die in 2016 did he? Shit he did. Damn you 2016!
My hope is that the drug war ends in my lifetime with states legalizing weed like dominos and the FDA in major need of overhaul. Talk about a boondoggle, to say nothing of the related issues it could help solve.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 29, 2018 12:21:23 GMT -5
For my American friends: Canadian Liberal political party is liberal in name only. Depending on the province, they range somewhere between "centre-leftish" and "right-without the religious stuff". Our left wing political party is called the New Democrat Party, and they, again depending on the province, range between "as far left as you can get while still being politically viable", and "centre-leftish". Even our conservatives, the Progressive Conservative Party, is more akin to your Democrats than the screaming lunacy that the Republicans have become. Rob Ford, the infamous (now deceased) crack smoking Mayor of Toronto, was affiliated with the Progressive Conservative Party, and ran on a populist "git er dun" message. His brother has doubled down on that nonsense and is currently fucking things up as Premier (~governor) of Ontario. That's not confusing... /scarc But, then again not surprising. Conservatives in Blue states vote differently than their brethens in Red states. (see SALT deduction caps impacting GOP wins in southern CA). Same as Liberals don't vote the same way in different regions as well. Well, it's compounded a bit but the fact the each party has a federal version, and a version for each province. While they are nominally connected, each is it's own castle, so to speak. It's further complicated by the political landscape of each province. In BC, where I live, the conservative party is basically in the wilderness, and the BC liberal party moved further right to take up their strategic voters. The Green Party has become a legitimate force in BC, and so the NDP has moved to include more environmental policy, to try and capture those Green-leaning strategic voters who might otherwise 'split the left'. We are currently conducting a referendum to see if BC wants to adopt a Pro-Rep system of voting instead of our FPTP. As it's a fill out and mail in ballot system, I don't have high hopes for enough ballots being returned for it to even be considered one way or the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 12:27:09 GMT -5
The problem there... and here still... is that when trying to have a discussion fees-fees get involved. Yeah, go fuck yourself, and congratulations on turning this thread into the Whembly show just like the last one. You really are the absolute worst. Can't even ignore you since everyone else quotes you. No one is forcing you to respond Ouze. But, looks like you threw in the towel and deleted your account. That's a special snowflake thing to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 12:31:00 GMT -5
That's not confusing... /scarc But, then again not surprising. Conservatives in Blue states vote differently than their brethens in Red states. (see SALT deduction caps impacting GOP wins in southern CA). Same as Liberals don't vote the same way in different regions as well. Well, it's compounded a bit but the fact the each party has a federal version, and a version for each province. While they are nominally connected, each is it's own castle, so to speak. It's further complicated by the political landscape of each province. In BC, where I live, the conservative party is basically in the wilderness, and the BC liberal party moved further right to take up their strategic voters. The Green Party has become a legitimate force in BC, and so the NDP has moved to include more environmental policy, to try and capture those Green-leaning strategic voters who might otherwise 'split the left'. We are currently conducting a referendum to see if BC wants to adopt a Pro-Rep system of voting instead of our FPTP. As it's a fill out and mail in ballot system, I don't have high hopes for enough ballots being returned for it to even be considered one way or the other. I think that same sort of dynamic exists everywhere (here in the US as well). The local/state/federal parties may share the same name (R) or (D), but operationally may looking different from one another. |
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 29, 2018 12:34:00 GMT -5
Yeah, go fuck yourself, and congratulations on turning this thread into the Whembly show just like the last one. You really are the absolute worst. Can't even ignore you since everyone else quotes you. No one is forcing you to respond Ouze. But, looks like you threw in the towel and deleted your account. That's a special snowflake thing to do. Maybe if you shit post hard enough you can have the topic all to yourself and you can laugh at all the "special snowflakes" who don't want to talk to you all day?
Jesus. Maybe Ouze is the wisest of us all.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 29, 2018 12:44:03 GMT -5
When haven't I? You're the one who refuses to reply to any of the points I made. I even provided you with handy links to the posts in question AND what fallacy or reason it was for being bad faith arguments. You're the only one here not willing to engage honestly. Everytime I've tried in that other thread and you've deflected. Just pick something there, bring it to my attention and we'll tango. Otherwise, you're just using it as a crudgel and I'll just throw it back at ya. Uhhhh.... No. I already did that. I made an entire list of stuff in response you your claim you'd either explain or accept anything that's pointed out. That was the entire point. You threw down a gauntlet willing to field any and all challenges. There's my response, to which you've cowered and hid from. Hell, you did the opposite of "trying to engage" you LITERALLY removed every post's text and replaced it with a meme in order to not engage on the subject. As someone pointed out before me, that's bad faith posting, in a thread about your bad faith posting!Also, you've yet to give a source for the third time about where you got that number that there are 2-3 million illegal immigrants crossing the border. There's another perfect example of bad faith posting. (Or is it a differing view point when you fail to provide facts to back yourself up?) Goal Post moving: Bad faith 101. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 12:47:53 GMT -5
Meh, it’s the right idea. Fuck the cancer, if you can’t cure it just cut out the source.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 12:58:35 GMT -5
No one is forcing you to respond Ouze. But, looks like you threw in the towel and deleted your account. That's a special snowflake thing to do. Maybe if you shit post hard enough you can have the topic all to yourself and you can laugh at all the "special snowflakes" who don't want to talk to you all day?
Jesus. Maybe Ouze is the wisest of us all.
: You take care buddy. (note to everyone else, at least he was man enough to apologize to me and engage with me rationally. Be more like him) @everyone else: I'd ask ya'll to take the moment and reflect your lot in life and stop acting like puritanical progressives all the time. We're more than just our politics and maybe we should focus on things that we have common interests instead of finding things to divide us. Ouze leaving because he couldn't stand reading differing viewpoints is sad... as having meaningful debates of differing ideas is literally the bulwark of our society. Yet far to often most of you here JUST.CAN'T.EVEN.ANYMORE. I don't need this. So, I'll be the bigger person and step out, since the vast majority of you are not interested in robust debates. I'll be over at dakka discussing the new Ork codex... so, you'll know where to find me. Ciao. |
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Post by tannhauser42 on Nov 29, 2018 13:18:33 GMT -5
Too bad you're gone and won't see this, but get this through your head once and for all, whembly: it is NOT about US being unable to handle different viewpoints, it's about YOU being dishonest, untrustworthy, and downright dishonorable. YOU and the way YOU argue are the problems.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 29, 2018 13:26:19 GMT -5
Wow. Whether you read this or not I supposed I don't care. I just think it deserves to be said.
Whembly, you literally just called someone a "special snowflake" for "throwing in the towel" because they found you objectionable enough that they didn't even want to read a topic anymore. After being called out on your extremely petty and sanctimonious response, you've just gone ahead and done the exact same thing, complete with a cliche'd "I'm going to be the bigger man" rage quit post telling the rest of us how we should "reflect."
Take your own advice Whem. You're easily the smallest here.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 29, 2018 13:33:26 GMT -5
As I've said before, whem is the perfect example of the cancer that's eating America. He dresses up his dishonesty as "differing viewpoints" and pretend his lack of facts supporting his opinion is just as valid as actual facts.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 29, 2018 14:01:40 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm a Canuck and his vote doesn't (directly) effect me, but I didn't get too het up about Whem and his ridiculous posting habits. At least he was *trying* to engage, instead of circle jerking and sharing preposterous fantasies and self-radicalising over at r/t_D.
The other side literally has a different version of reality than we do. You are NEVER going to pin someone down and get them to admit their entire worldview is wrong, and getting upset when you fail to do so is silly. "bad faith" and "Cancer" is absolutely going to happen when we have two diametrically opposed worldviews trying to have a disccusion.
The real problem isn't dem/repub, left/right anyway. It's class, comrade. The Clintons and Trump were super best buds in the 90s.
It's all about the boot on your neck and the hand in your pocket.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 29, 2018 15:06:58 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm a Canuck and his vote doesn't (directly) effect me, but I didn't get too het up about Whem and his ridiculous posting habits. At least he was *trying* to engage, instead of circle jerking and sharing preposterous fantasies and self-radicalising over at r/t_D. And while I'm bearing my soul, you Feeder have the patience of a saint. I think you're the only OT Politics regular still here who can make an honest claim at being a bigger person. For my part, I think Whembly would be right at home circle jerking and sharing preposterous fantasies on some absurd subreddit. But whatever. He said he's leaving. I've had my piece. Then the only solution is clear. Everyone go into your closets and find your best Mao Suit. We're all a bunch of puritanical progressives (apparently) so we might as well look the part! Okay seriously I'll stop now. In actual topic stuff, there apparently will now not be a meeting between Trump and Putin at the G20, mere hours after the Kremlin confirmed there in fact would be. Any bets on there suddenly being a meeting again? Yes no maybeso? |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 29, 2018 16:05:04 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm a Canuck and his vote doesn't (directly) effect me, but I didn't get too het up about Whem and his ridiculous posting habits. At least he was *trying* to engage, instead of circle jerking and sharing preposterous fantasies and self-radicalising over at r/t_D. And while I'm bearing my soul, you Feeder have the patience of a saint. I think you're the only OT Politics regular still here who can make an honest claim at being a bigger person. Aha ha! I'm flattered. Well, my first response to his "I'm down with Israel-style border control" was something like "Jeebus, aren't you just an absolute shit stain of a human being". But I changed that, because attacking his character definitely doesn't do any good, but maybe attacking his thought process might? IDK. It appears the new Cohen plea might actually have some serious consequences, and the Presidency might be too busy tweeting smokescreens and running defense to continue to it's goals of dismantling American Democracy. If the Trump asset has reached the end of it's usefulness, I think it's 50/50 that Putin would cut him loose completely, or harbour him as a fugitive in Moscow to continue to tweet nonsense conspiracy and continue to inspire alt-right terror. This is all part of my far-left fever dreams, though. |
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