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Post by hatoflords on Nov 30, 2018 13:46:41 GMT -5
In other news apparently that maybe shady firm Whitaker worked for is actually really shady. I don't think I've ever heard of someone holding government positions seemingly for the sole purpose of marketing those positions, which Whitaker seems to have done on and off since he stopped being a US Prosecutor. |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 30, 2018 13:54:09 GMT -5
In other news apparently that maybe shady firm Whitaker worked for is actually really shady. I don't think I've ever heard of someone holding government positions seemingly for the sole purpose of marketing those positions, which Whitaker seems to have done on and off since he stopped being a US Prosecutor. Related: Warren proposes new ethics bill. Hopefully this goes somewhere. |
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 30, 2018 14:18:18 GMT -5
In other news apparently that maybe shady firm Whitaker worked for is actually really shady. I don't think I've ever heard of someone holding government positions seemingly for the sole purpose of marketing those positions, which Whitaker seems to have done on and off since he stopped being a US Prosecutor. Related: Warren proposes new ethics bill. Hopefully this goes somewhere. I like the idea of national voter registration. Honestly I don't know why we don't do it as is, especially since it would make keeping the rolls straight, who votes and lives where, a lot simpler and make it harder for individual states to rig their voting practices on typos. That said, the bill also has a requirement that Presidential candidates must disclose their tax returns (which goes unmentioned in the Politico article). It'll never pass so long as its in there, which understandably throws shade on the House Dems about how serious they are with ethics reform. I can dream but I suppose my dreams never come true, alas.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Nov 30, 2018 15:15:20 GMT -5
I look at life a lot like Bruce Banner anymore, "But when do I ever get what I want?"
Speaking of. Grandma Pelosi is set to be speaker. I'm getting real fucking tired of the country being run by my grandparents.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 30, 2018 15:43:06 GMT -5
Honestly I think we should all sit back and be thankful someone actually wants the job. The Republicans spent most of the last few years bungling with people who didn't want the position.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Nov 30, 2018 17:09:24 GMT -5
But, looks like you threw in the towel and deleted your account. That's a special snowflake thing to do. I don't need this. So, I'll be the bigger person and step out, since the vast majority of you are not interested in robust debates. I love it when I don't even need to add any comment to make a point  . Unfortunately, as long as we maintain the winner takes all election system, it will always be a simple spectrum of one side against the other. Just go Swiss then. Well, that require bypassing constitution fetishization, founding father adulation and a huge, YUGE superiority complex but oh well. |
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 30, 2018 17:14:52 GMT -5
But, looks like you threw in the towel and deleted your account. That's a special snowflake thing to do. I don't need this. So, I'll be the bigger person and step out, since the vast majority of you are not interested in robust debates. I love it when I don't even need to add any comment to make a point . All in the span of a half hour. We are trying to implement Pro Rep here in BC but the is a huge "grassroots" campaign against it, complete with easily disproven lies that I see repeated by actual people. |
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Post by theauldgrump on Nov 30, 2018 17:30:13 GMT -5
Well, it had gotten to the point, on this thread, that I was checking it once a day, and only the most recent pages.
Going to miss one of the rage quitters, and be glad that the other is gone....
And can't help but feel that Whemb leaving was the more important of the two, much as I may miss Ouze - Whemb was the reason I had pretty much stopped reading.
The Auld Grump - I guess we won't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore....
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Post by Hordini on Nov 30, 2018 19:39:20 GMT -5
Huh. I think this is the first time anyone has rage quit the Wasteland that I can remember, and we had three in a row. That's impressive! I'm sad they couldn't work out their differences though.
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Post by laughingman on Nov 30, 2018 19:57:40 GMT -5
I look at life a lot like Bruce Banner anymore, "But when do I ever get what I want?" Speaking of. Grandma Pelosi is set to be speaker. I'm getting real fucking tired of the country being run by my grandparents. Say what you like about Pelosi, but she's actually good at it, and nobody else was really angling for the position. She did a good job rallying her base behind her by dangling the right carrots in front of the right congressmen. |
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Post by hatoflords on Dec 1, 2018 0:37:49 GMT -5
I look at life a lot like Bruce Banner anymore, "But when do I ever get what I want?" Speaking of. Grandma Pelosi is set to be speaker. I'm getting real fucking tired of the country being run by my grandparents. Say what you like about Pelosi, but she's actually good at it, and nobody else was really angling for the position. She did a good job rallying her base behind her by dangling the right carrots in front of the right congressmen. To be honest she didn't really have to rally her base or anything.
Opposition to her amounted to "anyone but Pelosi" and when asked "okay then who" the answer was "anyone but Pelosi."
Of course she's going to get the job when the people insisting she shouldn't can't even come up with their own candidate. The dominoes fell to her because she was the only one in the race.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Dec 1, 2018 4:31:59 GMT -5
Huh. I think this is the first time anyone has rage quit the Wasteland that I can remember, and we had three in a row. That's impressive! I'm sad they couldn't work out their differences though. You never had Whembly "discussing" politics here before. |
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Dec 1, 2018 4:49:57 GMT -5
To be honest she didn't really have to rally her base or anything. Opposition to her amounted to "anyone but Pelosi" and when asked "okay then who" the answer was "anyone but Pelosi." Of course she's going to get the job when the people insisting she shouldn't can't even come up with their own candidate. The dominoes fell to her because she was the only one in the race.
This. Many people on all points of the political spectrum are happy to do the protesting against something but have no realistic plan for what to do afterwards. This makes you look like a bit of a short-sighted idiot. The protests, movements and revolutions which had actual lasting change were the ones where there was leadership who knew what they wanted and an idea of how that could be put in place, not just what they didn't want and pie in the sky dreams of what would happen next. The suffragettes wanted the vote and knew they had to make the men in power aware of the fact that denying them it would be detrimental to the country, the civil rights movement wanted equal rights and knew they had to expose the violence of jim crow to the population and exert pressure onto the white people in power to end black americans being lesser in the eyes of the law, etc. The leaders of the American Revolution didn't just want the British gone, they had a vision of how the country they wanted afterwards to work. Without that planning beforehand and the ideas of what must come after the fighting was finished, it is unlikely that the revolution would have lasted. Just look at the revolutions attempted in the middle east. You have a multitude of disparate group all pushing for different goals in what they want the country to be afterwards. They are only unified by what they want gone, not what they want to replace it and so once that unifying enemy is gone they fail to create a unified government and the civil war just starts again. In a political example there is the Republican attempts to repeal the ACA. They'd harped on for years about how it was terrible and must be repealed but when it actually came time to do so they were exposed as having no idea what they would replace it with. Over here in the UK we have Brexit, where politicians were harping on for years about how we must leave the EU but never once actually looked at how that would affect the UK afterwards or made any plans for how to go about it until they'd already put it to the public and lied about it. |
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Post by steelmage99 on Dec 1, 2018 13:47:45 GMT -5
Hilarious to read the statement from the White House Ministry of Propaganda on the passing of former President George H W Bush - pretending to be from the President himself.
It is a complete list of everything that President Trump IS NOT.
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Post by theauldgrump on Dec 1, 2018 15:26:47 GMT -5
I have a suspicion that the Cheeto in Charge will not be invited to the funeral.
I did not like George H. W. Bush - but did feel that he was a competent man, much more so than President Reagan had been.
Now we have an incompetent president that I loath.... Compared to whom, President George H. W. Bush was a miracle of effective executive power and decency.
The Auld Grump - he was one of three Presidents that I have met in the flesh - the others being Clinton and Carter.
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