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Post by whembly on Dec 6, 2024 15:05:50 GMT -5
Oh hey, speaking of indisputable facts, remember how I posted the actual text of the law regarding asylum claims and disproved your attempts to argue that the actions of asylum seekers are illegal? Are you going to acknowledge this or are you going to, as usual, let your silence on the subject tell us that you know you're wrong but won't admit it because it goes against your partisan narrative? Erm... do you have me mixed up with another poster? My position was simply that the current administration abused the laws to gratuitously grant easier pathways for asylum claims. That's what I mean by "Biden Opened up the border", in that they abused their discretion, which *is* legal, to open that spigot. I do think that there's a lot of this conflation between the legal status of "illegal alien" to the legal status of "asylum seekers". Illegal Alien used in arguments is mainly a descriptor describing that people are overstaying, either by letting their green cards lapse, or using the liberalized asylum process or simply walking across the border unannounced. |
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Post by whembly on Dec 6, 2024 15:06:16 GMT -5
It's also gaslighting as the argument quickly moved away from it being about the alleged death... Fuck off. |
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Post by whembly on Dec 6, 2024 15:10:06 GMT -5
Plus Fentanyl, the real problem drug, can be made with ingredients bought legally in the US. You'd have to be an idiot to make it in Mexico and smuggle it across the border. You can, but it's exceedingly difficult, dangerous and you'd have to manufacturer it in quantities that does draw the authorities' attention. The precursor ingredients and equipment are monitored and tracked by various state/federal agencies. Ask me how I know.  It's way easier and cheaper to make it elsewhere and smuggle it into the US. |
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Dec 6, 2024 16:28:00 GMT -5
Sorry, but how is that not an entirely emotional argument? You're right that we're at a stalemate, but considering you said that made you a one-issue voter "willing to drag your belly through glass" to vote Trump is it genuinely too much to ask for you to actually be able to show that you're right rather than just lashing out because of grief? It's not entirely emotional. Sure, there's a lot of that, but it's not born out of a vacuum. It's indisputable that we're seeing record trafficking at our border (include our ports-of-entry) due to current regime's border policies. If you cant get past that, which I don't think you've acknowledged, we are indeed at a stalemate. Carry on brother.
You haven't proven that. The "stalemate" is entirely caused by you treating your own assertions as gospel truth and then not engaging with what I'm saying, something I've already called you on once.
The numbers are what they are, the idea that the causation is "indisputable" when you evidently don't have a grasp of even the basics of how to show what causes something else in a scientific manner is absurd. If they were indisputable I wouldn't have to explain to you how correlation and causation are different, yet here we are. Will you now please actually engage with what I'm saying? The fact that the numbers are up is not proof that it is being caused by Biden's border policies.
I made a post three posts up from the one I'm quoting here that illustrates the issue with an example that's to Trump's advantage. If we were to take your claim as truth we'd have to accept that the huge spike in drug overdose deaths in the US between 2019 and 2020 was Trump's fault, which I don't think either of us would argue. It should be self-evident that there are multiple possible causes for things and that it doesn't have to be any given explanation just because it could, no?
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Post by easye on Dec 6, 2024 17:23:42 GMT -5
This is crazy, but if you want to understand the modern Republican party..... you need to watch this video about COBRA..... yes, THAT Cobra.
Damn.... it makes so much sense to me now.
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Post by Peregrine on Dec 6, 2024 17:24:29 GMT -5
Erm... do you have me mixed up with another poster? No, that would be you lying again. Here is the direct quote from you: otzone.proboards.com/post/150953"In order to claim asylum, you must go to either your embassy in your nation, or to the next contiguous nation and claim asylum in that embassy."You may have that opinion however it has nothing to do with your original claim that Biden's border policies caused your friend's death. Drug smugglers are not using the asylum process. This is why you had to pull the bait and switch and move to complaining about "economic migrants" and "importing a democrat voting bloc". Yes, I am well aware that you are conflating entirely different things because it fits your team's narrative. That's why I called you a postmodernist. In the real world overstaying a visa, immigrating through the asylum process, and walking across the border are very different things. One of them is legal immigration under a policy some people might wish to change, one is illegal immigration but has a low risk of criminal activity other than the immigration violation itself, one is illegal immigration that is used for criminal activity as well as less harmful acts. In your postmodernist nonsense world all of these three things are the same. All three of them make you feel bad, while your team's narrative that they are illegal makes you feel good. Therefore all three are "illegal" regardless of the facts of law. The fact that "abusing" the asylum process is perfectly legal under US law is not objective truth, it's merely an opinion preferred by Team Blue and that opinion is no more valid than the opinions preferred by Team Red. |
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Post by Peregrine on Dec 6, 2024 17:32:29 GMT -5
It's indisputable that we're seeing record trafficking at our border (include our ports-of-entry) due to current regime's border policies. No, that would be you insisting that correlation is causation again.
In the real world correlation is not causation. Correlation may suggest a theory to be investigated further but it does not itself prove causation. There are countless examples of things that are correlated purely by coincidence, or that are both caused by a third factor. In the real world it is not in any way "indisputable" that Biden's border policies caused record trafficking, it is a theory that may be worth investigating but the proof has not yet been provided.
In your postmodernist nonsense world correlation can be causation if it makes you feel better to believe it is. The claim that correlation is not causation is merely a political
opinion among many valid opinions, an attempt by Team Blue to privilege
their preferred narrative over other narratives that are valuable to oppressed individuals. If Team Red's narrative is that Biden's border policies are at fault because they happened at the same time then that's no less of a truth than the alternative truth believed by Team Blue, that the theory has not been proved yet.
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Post by skyth on Dec 7, 2024 15:34:33 GMT -5
Here's another theory - The Maga rhetoric that encourages hate and feeling hopeless and tries to hurt other people has lead to the rise in the demand for drugs, thus encouraging more people to use it and thus get more shipped in.
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Post by whembly on Dec 11, 2024 15:01:39 GMT -5
Here's another theory - The Maga rhetoric that encourages hate and feeling hopeless and tries to hurt other people has lead to the rise in the demand for drugs, thus encouraging more people to use it and thus get more shipped in. MOD EDIT - Come on dude. Give it a rest. - MOD EDIT |
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Post by skyth on Dec 11, 2024 16:12:10 GMT -5
Every accusation is an admission.
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Post by easye on Dec 12, 2024 10:41:06 GMT -5
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Post by skyth on Dec 12, 2024 16:23:11 GMT -5
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Post by easye on Dec 12, 2024 17:49:06 GMT -5
<This is my shocked face>
.... and yet there will be no consequences for this. Only electoral rewards.
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Post by Peregrine on Dec 12, 2024 17:53:43 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, NC continuing its tradition of moving power around to wherever the republicans have control. It's amazing what you can do to turn a purple state into total dominance as long as you have nothing resembling an ethical standard at any point in the process. |
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Dec 12, 2024 21:15:17 GMT -5
We already knew this, but I guess it’s necessary to remind people that Trump and associates are liars, in case they forgot. |
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