They said WHAT on Dakka?

[Haighus]

Hahaha what a read.

Contemplated responding to the "allopathic medicine" tangent, but decided it wasn't worth it in multiple ways.

It is a shame how many people are likely to be hurt and are hurt by this kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[bobtheinquisitor]

There’s no way to reach this guy. I can’t help but wonder if this is a mental health issue, a response to trauma, or if he just clicked on the wrong youtube video when he was vulnerable.

But man would it be sweet to believe everything chaotic and unfair in the world was a deliberate part of a bigger order, to believe bad things happen to good people for a simple, understandable reason, and that all the world’s governments, scientists and titans of industry are all competent and working harmoniously to one purpose. And that remaining ignorant was an act of defiance that gave one’s life meaning.

Although, on second thought it sounds like he puts a lot of effort into his ignorance.

Jun 26, 2023 16:42:59 GMT -5 A Town Called Malus said:

Jun 26, 2023 16:05:15 GMT -5 bobtheinquisitor said:

Would it be a bad idea to ask the flat earther in the Are We Alone thread where the Jews fit into his theory?

Cultural marxism is probably also a good shout. One or the other is sure to crop up soon.

Looks like Mad Doc Grotsnik brought it up.

[Haighus]

I don't think we should jump to the idea that conspiracy theorists are mentally ill so easily.

Most of them are not, they just happened to be vulnerable when the right influences appeared. Most do have some (usually correct) observation that something is wrong with the world, but then take an "easy" (usually incorrect) solution as to why that is being sold to them by a friend or grifter. It lets them feel part of an in-crowd in a society that alienates so many people, and it often allows them to not challenge held beliefs in the way a true recognition of the situation would (like challenging the idea of capitalism would, for example).

On a side note, never seen anyone have an issue with the concept of MRIs before...

[Haighus]

I think the person in question fits this picture. A lot of their position appears to originate in a valid concern (modern society relies too much on essentially-black box technology) but has then been spun off into an illogical conclusion (therefore there must be a secret, powerful, global cabal orchestrating this to keep us oppressed) instead of a more obvious one that is less palatable (this stuff is only black box because there are material incentives within a capitalist system to maintain secrecy and dependency to maintain profits).

One is a nice, self-contained external threat that is powerful but could be extirpated if enough folks just wake up! The other is a complicated, broken society with no easy fix.

[Haighus]

Question for those with more knowledge on this than me:
Is jewry an actual word that would be used by jewish folk, for example, or is it a slur?

I've only ever seen the word used in the context "international jewry" by fascists and fascist-adjacents, so unclear if it is a red flag when used by itself without the "international" qualifier.

[semipotentwalrus]

"Jewry" is not a slur, but given the fact that it's commonly associated with the kind of people you mention I'd not use it other than if it's relevant because of context. It's a bit archaic as well.

[Haighus]

Jun 27, 2023 9:53:06 GMT -5 semipotentwalrus said:

"Jewry" is not a slur, but given the fact that it's commonly associated with the kind of people you mention I'd not use it other than if it's relevant because of context. It's a bit archaic as well.

Thanks for the clarification.

I wasn't planning on using it myself, more wondering about its use by the Dakka poster being discussed above. I'll file under "amber flag, watch closely".

[bobtheinquisitor]

Jun 27, 2023 6:43:24 GMT -5 Haighus said:

Question for those with more knowledge on this than me:
Is jewry an actual word that would be used by jewish folk, for example, or is it a slur?

I've only ever seen the word used in the context "international jewry" by fascists and fascist-adjacents, so unclear if it is a red flag when used by itself without the "international" qualifier.

To me it seems like an antiquated term, like jewess, that generally isn’t a slur, but can certainly be used as one. The word “Jew” used to be considered a slur, and still is in many countries. That’s why so many Jewish organizations from Europe or the US founded before 1850ish use terms like “Israelite” or “Hebrew” in their names. In Russia, Zhyd is still a slur, I believe, while from what I have been told in Ukraine there was a move to take it back, as Jew had been taken back in the US/Anglophone world.

But yeah, today most people I’m familiar with use “Judaism” or “Jewish population” more often than Jewry.

[Haighus]

The thread got locked because the poster repeatedly linked to neo-nazi site BitChute. Kind of ironic.

I don't think it is a good sign if the main proponents of your hypothesis choose or feel compelled to have nazis as bedfellows, and no better hosting site is available to link to.

[punishedmcbogus]

Jun 27, 2023 6:43:24 GMT -5 Haighus said:

Question for those with more knowledge on this than me:
Is jewry an actual word that would be used by jewish folk, for example, or is it a slur?

I've only ever seen the word used in the context "international jewry" by fascists and fascist-adjacents, so unclear if it is a red flag when used by itself without the "international" qualifier.

Honestly, the implications of "jewry" being that Jewish people are somehow structurally organized and inherently "getting up to things" as an ethno-religious group (instead of, y'know, just individual human beings) or whatever, is pretty clear-cut antisemitism.
Not trying flex too hard here but I did a lot on antisemitism for undergraduate stuff, I've never seen the word outside of fully antisemitic dialogue, and if it isn't being used in that way, but does get dropped I'd say it's a pretty clear dog-whistle, or at the very least a HARD tell that someone is wholly comfortable/immersed with protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion level conspiracy crap if they consider that a normal part of their vocabulary. You'd have to be engaging with some really antisemitic literature in a VERY sympathetic way to see a writer drop that one and not feel at least a little uneasy, but to start using it yourself, and casually, too, as far as I'd be aware, is only something someone who was consuming that garbage AND happily swallowing it, would do. It's an odd word to choose, and I think the implications of its choice are very clear.

That said, holy moly, I was watching that one with popcorn, thanks for the heads up. While that dude is clearly either disturbed, or trying to justify some very irrational prejudices (or a troll? Odd that he claims to be as disconnected from the internet as possible, but also has time to consume mountains of conspiracy nonsense and also post about it on dakka???). I did really get a laugh out of the bit about King Scorpion II of Egypt, presented as if it doesn't sound like utter shite a fucking edgy 13 year old made.
How someone can be so combative of "why are academics so certain of things that are provable?? huh??? huh???" yet also unironically, confidently spout pure bollocks about periods of history that even the world's leading experts will tell you "we don't have much to go on for this period, there's some broken pottery and some bits of almost-comprehensible script, but that's all", and the conspiracy nut will be like "oh, well, actually that was the seraphim, you can see because some guy in a basement in Massachusetts/germany mistranslated the dead sea scrolls and then self-published it in 2003, no evidence, that was all destroyed by the CIA but also somehow the KGB together/the templars/napleon/Mossad and Hitler".
...I mean, we know why, but damn. 10 points for the mental gymnastics. What a goober.

TLDR: McBogus Whinges bc some dakka users are serial poopy heads and I think the mods are a bit too lenient.
I messaged a mod about how I felt like several users were dropping dogwhistles I think back around when the Austrian-Painter-Nazi-Hoodie-Spanish-Tournament-Gate thing was happening, because at the time it felt like a lot of people were getting away with signposting certain affiliations, esp. with the uptick in new users with covid and also FB and Twitter (at the time) trying to clamp down on extremist content, and dakka being really quite a large, open community, with a long reputation, and being easy to find if you just google warhammer.
Back when I was a regular poster it really seemed like there would be these threads that would get derailed by the same cohort of users, who were all virulently anti-"woke" carving out their little space trying to subvert and stifle conversation against their ideas and pushing the "no politics" rule as hard as they could until the mods were forced to step in.
While the mod I spoke to was polite, and said "there will be discussions", nothing really seemed to change? I know the mods like to be very cloak and dagger about decision making, but I really wonder why the tolerance for some of this nonsense is so very high.
Sometimes I want to be charitable and just assume that they aren't clued in, and when someone points out a dogwhistle or similar virtue(not this word, obvs, but like, signalling that they are hard right, making references to like rhodesia, or having certain symbols on their dice, dismissing something as being snowflakey or "stunning and brave" etc.)-signalling, perhaps it just seems like hypersensitivity on the part of the person calling it out, and for an uninvolved/uninformed mod (perhaps of a certain generation...?) just seems like someone tilting at windmills or whatever?
IDK, I also have suspicions that certain individuals in the moderation team are... less unwelcoming of users who want to make those affiliations apparent to people who might understand them? Is that a diplomatic way of putting it? Despite trying to call it out and encourage the moderators to maybe be a bit more aware, a bit tighter with the no politics rule, I never felt like I've seen much of a cultural shift on that part, and it's honestly why I don't really post on dakka anymore. Like, if I cuss, or make a shitpost? Boom, gone in seconds, I get handed a warning. But then you get people like this dude rambling about "jewry" and like, sure, he's in bad boy internet jail for linking bitchute stuff, but the jewry bit is still up??? I don't get it.

[bobtheinquisitor]

Anyone who thinks the Jews are behind any widespread, all encompassing conspiracy has never got to know any Jews.

We have sayings like “Two Jews, three opinions” for a reason. And “every town with Jews needs two synagogues: one to attend and one not to be caught dead in.” One needs only look at the story of the last two Jews in Afghanistan to realize there’s no rigid hierarchy in Judaism.


As for the mods, I think most of them are well meaning, good people trying to do a hard job. Sometimes they seem maybe a little naive about dog whistles, especially when they aren’t familiar with issues surrounding a particular marginalized group, or maybe they could be giving the benefit of the doubt to some ignorant teenagers repeating whatever edgy nonsense their friends spout at the FLGS. Either way, Dakka got pretty ugly for a while and clearly still has a few problem posters, but it seems like the mods are putting more effort into stopping the worst of it.

They’ve also shedded a couple of real bad mods.

[Haighus]

Yeah, it does seem generally better on Dakka recently. In some ways a bit too late- overt politics remains banned- but I think credit is due.

I'm curious as to which mods you are referring to Bob?

I also got a laugh out of King Scorpion II. Is... is that a real pharaoh, or is this poster getting their history from the Mummy film series?

[bobtheinquisitor]

There was a real King Scorpion. History With Cy on YouTube has a series covering Egypt dynasty by dynasty, and if I recall King Scorpion is from the pre-dynastic period.

[Haighus]

Amazing. I am assuming it sounds less dumb in ancient Egyptian.

[easye]

Also, Pre-Dynastic = almost mythic. Pre- Old Kingdom.

That is like ~5K years ago or so.