Black Crime Stats

[republicanpsycho]

According to the fbi and cdc:

-despite being roughly 1/8 of the population, over half the murder victims are black.

-blacks made up 60.4% of known murders in 2021, a new record up from 56.5% in 2020. Therefore, most murderers and victims are black.

-blacks are 10x more likely to die violently than whites. Hispanics who are comparable to blacks in education and income were only twice as likely. Therefore, black homicide death rate is 4.8 times the hispanic rate, how could this be if it’s economic factors lol?

-according to obama, from 1980-2000 murderers were 7.6 times more numerous among blacks per capita than than non blacks.

-black men at the 98th percentile on income are jailed as often as white men at the 50th percentile. Similarly, blacks at the national median income are jailed at a rate of 7.2%, the same as whites at the lowest possible income percentile.

-in 2020-22 black men were 18 times more likely to die by firearms.

[herzlos]

There's definitely a huge imbalance that's a hangover from historic treatment of black people. I'm not sure what your point here is? Are you suggesting we try and do something about it?

[Disciple of Fate]

I think that is an overly generous interpretation of the almost opressive implication being made in the OP.

[herzlos]

Almost certainly, but it's potentially an interesting subject to discuss if we can do it using something resembling facts or reality.

[Least censored on the planet!]

tl;dr

[republicanpsycho]

Jul 24, 2023 3:04:42 GMT -5 herzlos said:

There's definitely a huge imbalance that's a hangover from historic treatment of black people. I'm not sure what your point here is? Are you suggesting we try and do something about it?

The reason is mainly because of IQ, which is 85 on average for blacks in the US. Low IQ people overrepresent in violent crime and since blacks make up a large number of the low iq, they commit more violent crimes.

[Disciple of Fate]

IQ is an incredibly flawed way to test actual intelligence, so any numbers you give are not valid representation.

[republicanpsycho]

Jul 24, 2023 9:54:51 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

IQ is an incredibly flawed way to test actual intelligence, so any numbers you give are not valid representation.

The military, piles of mainline lierature, nobel prize winners, and everybody before 2016 disagrees.

If it didn’t exist they wouldn’t need to lower standards and enforce racial quotas at universities. You wouldn’t have a problem with blind testing, but that doesn’t get the results you want.

[Disciple of Fate]

Jul 24, 2023 10:15:20 GMT -5 republicanpsycho said:

Jul 24, 2023 9:54:51 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

IQ is an incredibly flawed way to test actual intelligence, so any numbers you give are not valid representation.

The military, piles of mainline lierature, nobel prize winners, and everybody before 2016 disagrees.

If it didn’t exist they wouldn’t need to lower standards and enforce racial quotas at universities. You wouldn’t have a problem with blind testing, but that doesn’t get the results you want.

Yes, its shocking how outdated sources agree with an outdated norm? Any scientist in the field worth their salt will tell you how useless of an indicator it is nowadays, even if it erroneously is still in use.

Affermative action was about institutional racism. Unless you want to argue white people are dumb because legacy admissions exist, a far larger share of students than affermative action.

[mdgv2]

Citation fucking needed.

TikTok and YouTube videos do not in fact count.

And remember? We will be checking for quote mining, misrepresentation and outright lies.

[Least censored on the planet!]

Melta really sucks in 40k 11th edition, Sister players really don't have any worthwhile antitank, it's crazy.

[Haighus]

Jul 24, 2023 9:54:51 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

IQ is an incredibly flawed way to test actual intelligence, so any numbers you give are not valid representation.

Speaking of, here is an excellent video discussing this exact topic, with sources in the description, via a review and thorough refutation of the racist book The Bell Curve:
youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo

Essentially IQ is immensely flawed to the point it is only really useful for measuring changes in the same population over time. It has been repeatedly weaponised by racists like the aptly named republicanpsycho.

[herzlos]

Jul 24, 2023 9:53:23 GMT -5 republicanpsycho said:

Jul 24, 2023 3:04:42 GMT -5 herzlos said:

There's definitely a huge imbalance that's a hangover from historic treatment of black people. I'm not sure what your point here is? Are you suggesting we try and do something about it?

The reason is mainly because of IQ, which is 85 on average for blacks in the US. Low IQ people overrepresent in violent crime and since blacks make up a large number of the low iq, they commit more violent crimes.

If I show you evidence of any of these facts:
* That there's no correleation between race and IQ

* That there is a correlation between poverty and intelligence

or

* That there's a correlation between lower intelligence and conservative views

Then will you even read them?

[semipotentwalrus]

IQ isn't all that flawed, it works pretty well for comparing within cohorts over time. The thing it was developed to do.

It's the incompetent people0 that misuse it that's the problem.

[Haighus]

Jul 24, 2023 12:11:35 GMT -5 semipotentwalrus said:

IQ isn't all that flawed, it works pretty well for comparing within cohorts over time. The thing it was developed to do.

It's the incompetent people0 that misuse it that's the problem.

Whilst technically true-ish (the IQ forerunner Binet-Simon test being created to identify struggling schoolkids who needed additional support in 1905, but this was not actually an IQ test in itself), IQ testing and the phrase IQ was popularised and distributed by eugenicists along explicitly discriminatory lines (usually racist) and used in horrific real-world eugenics programs.

The first translation of the Binet test into English was by Goddard, an explicit eugenicist who's work lead to the forced sterilisation of thousands in the US. He adapted the test into arguably the first IQ test, and was advocating policy based on IQ scores we would recognise today by 1910. The US eugenics movement also directly influenced the eugenics program of Nazi Germany, which was largely based on the US programs and asked for advice from the US.

In addition, IQ relies on some major flawed assumptions, in particular that human intelligence is distributed over a bell curve distribution, something we actually have no evidence for, and for which IQ tests have to be specifical designed for to achieve.

So whilst IQ can be useful for tracking a cohort over time, its existence from the very beginning is heavily tied to eugenics and inappropriate comparisons between different groups.

I'd also argue people like Goddard were worryingly competent, given how successful they were in implementing abhorrent eugenics programs based on their personal biases.