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Post by easye on Aug 9, 2023 13:29:01 GMT -5
You know, this is a hot topic in the US and Europe. Let's start a thread to talk about it! There have been a lot of stories in the news lately about migrants crossing the Med, discussion about crossing the border to/from Mexico to/from the US, migrants being shipped around the country, and of course the infamous Caravans from a few years ago. There is plenty to talk about. Here is a story and talking points to get us started: Frequently, we hear stories in the media about how immigrants are doing "bad things" like smuggling Fentanyl into the country. Turns out, that isn't really true at all. What a shock! Who is sneaking fentanyl across the southern border? Hint: it's not the migrantswww.npr.org/2023/08/09/1191638114/fentanyl-smuggling-migrants-mexico-border-drugs |
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Post by crispy78 on Aug 10, 2023 15:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 11, 2023 3:28:51 GMT -5
Surprising that they still use people to that extent. Here they just import drugs by shipping containers and it becomes a numbers game, as there are too many containers coming into port to check all of them.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Aug 11, 2023 5:21:35 GMT -5
Surprising that they still use people to that extent. Here they just import drugs by shipping containers and it becomes a numbers game, as there are too many containers coming into port to check all of them. Fentanyl is one which is probably more financially viable for smuggling in smaller amounts, provided you are close enough to the point of manufacture to make lots of small smugglings viable and have a population willing to do it, as you get a lot more doses from the same mass than you do for many other drugs (cocaine, heroin, etc.). As the distance from source to market increases, the viability of individuals smuggling gets less. If you're trying to move your product direct from Colombia to Europe, for example, you wouldn't primarily use people carrying small amounts as you just wouldn't be able to move the weight you need to keep up the supply. |
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Post by Haighus on Aug 11, 2023 5:33:40 GMT -5
Surprising that they still use people to that extent. Here they just import drugs by shipping containers and it becomes a numbers game, as there are too many containers coming into port to check all of them. Fentanyl is one which is probably more financially viable for smuggling in smaller amounts, provided you are close enough to the point of manufacture to make lots of small smugglings viable and have a popylation willing to do it, as you get a lot more doses from the same mass than you do for many other drugs (cocaine, heroin, etc.). As the distance from source to market increases, the viability of individuals smuggling gets less. If you're trying to move your product direct from Colombia to Europe, for example, you wouldn't primarily use people carrying small amounts as you just wouldn't be able to move the weight you need to keep up the supply. Injected fentanyl is approximately 66 times stronger than injected diamorphine (heroin), 100 times stronger than injected morphine, and about 200 times stronger than oral morphine. So yup, much lower volumes of drug required for the same effect. Injected fentanyl is used pretty rarely outside of anaesthetic induction in the UK, but when it is the low volume is often part of the reason why (syringe driver pumps have a maximum volume before needing a second pump). However, alfentanil is much more common in that role and is "only" 10 times stronger than diamorphine (heroin). |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 11, 2023 5:58:19 GMT -5
Thank you both, very interesting. I guess that's a good reason why larger quantities by shipping container are not that interesting in this case.
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Post by adurot on Aug 12, 2023 8:36:33 GMT -5
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Post by skyth on Aug 12, 2023 9:38:25 GMT -5
The cruelty is the point...
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Post by easye on Aug 14, 2023 9:49:06 GMT -5
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Post by herzlos on Aug 14, 2023 11:23:22 GMT -5
That's disgusting.
The immigrants in the US really need to go on a general strike to remind the 'natives' who actually does all the work. Can you imagine the US without any recent migrants?
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Post by easye on Aug 14, 2023 13:30:49 GMT -5
Yes.
Immigration has been declining for a while in the US, and lo and behold; people are complaining that "No one wants to work anymore (for these shitty wages)!" Coincidence?
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Post by herzlos on Aug 14, 2023 17:02:04 GMT -5
Same in the UK. Complaints about immigrants whilst also complaining that nowhere can get staff.
"I voted to stop immigration and now I need to wait 10 minutes for my coffee, what's going on?"
F'ing idiots.
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Post by mdgv2 on Aug 14, 2023 18:22:05 GMT -5
Same in the UK. Complaints about immigrants whilst also complaining that nowhere can get staff. "I voted to stop immigration and now I need to wait 10 minutes for my coffee, what's going on?" F'ing idiots. Whilst refusing to do those jobs for those wages ourselves. |
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Post by herzlos on Aug 15, 2023 3:22:22 GMT -5
I was going to say I don't understand it, but then I remembered that before Immigrants, the benefits claimants were the bogey men. So these folk are absolutely convinced that there's an army of benefits cheats who are living the high life off of their hard work, who'd only go and do the dirty jobs if only they weren't rolling in benefit money.
They almost all refuse to realize that they (pensioners generally) make up the vast bulk of the 'benefits' pot, and that benefit fraud is an order of magnitude lower than the people who *could* claim but don't know about it. As usual, it's all just a distraction that's been grasped onto by ignorant bigots.
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Post by easye on Aug 15, 2023 9:23:19 GMT -5
They think their are a bunch of people sponging off the system, because that is what they would do if they could. Projection all around.
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