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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 16, 2024 2:35:30 GMT -5
I think we're overcomplicating things. CPAC clearly stated "we are all domestic terrorists", and this guy was a registered Republican. Ergo, he was a domestic terrorist.
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Post by herzlos on Jul 16, 2024 3:25:54 GMT -5
They seem to be going down the "school bully victim" route at the moment, which always seems to make a good excuse but never seems to result in any attempt to make school nicer for people.
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Post by Peregrine on Jul 16, 2024 3:43:40 GMT -5
They seem to be going down the "school bully victim" route at the moment, which always seems to make a good excuse but never seems to result in any attempt to make school nicer for people. Do not ask questions about male violence or the need for male control, we will not address any of these issues. |
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Post by pacific on Jul 16, 2024 6:21:05 GMT -5
I take it this will likely significantly bolster Trump's chances in November? I do now fear the worst.
I am also not sure I have ever seen such a level of disinformation and conjecture about the shooting attempt (I guess nature wants to fill a void..), some of it is absolute insanity.
Waiting now for Frankie Boyle's joke about the guy almost certainly being a time traveller to become a conspiracy theory (if it hasn't done so already, and in fact this is more sane than some of the things I have read)
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Post by herzlos on Jul 16, 2024 7:10:58 GMT -5
I take it this will likely significantly bolster Trump's chances in November? I do now fear the worst. I've seen a few comments that the photo of trump with his first up and the flag behind him is the one that wins him the election, and sadly I think it's true. It's everything the MAGA crowd could ever want. A flag, a defiant moron, and a divine sign.
They seem to be going nuts with the idea that it was an angel or gods will that meant the bullet missed him*, and that he's a hero for not flinching in the face of danger.
I'm curious as to what it'll do for his future campaigning. Will he get a competent security team? Will he follow advice and do it more safely? Will he be suitably frightened to ease off on the rhetoric?
All I know is that it's going to be even more of a mess than it was going to be before.
*Of course they never seem to question why the bullet deflecting angels are never in the schools.
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Post by skyth on Jul 16, 2024 7:12:58 GMT -5
Well, the violent-ish rhetoric is still there at the convention with regards to LGBT+ individuals.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Jul 16, 2024 7:35:56 GMT -5
I genuinely wonder just how many more voters this could possibly win over for him. What kind of voter who wasn't going to vote for Trump will do so now because of this attempt on his life? His VP pick isn't exactly appealing to the moderates and never-Trumpers.
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Post by redchimera on Jul 16, 2024 7:57:14 GMT -5
Yeah. The hope is that the all those that would be attracted by the whole 'fist pumping in front of the flag' and 'divine intervention' bollocks are already paid up members, loyal to the cause and ALL NON-CONFORMISTS MUST BE EX-TER-MIN-ATED!
*Ahem*
The further hope is that 'moderates' and Democrats who were going to sit this one out because Biden isn't 'their' kind of Democrat will be galvanized to get out on the day and exercise their democratic right, privilege and duty.
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Post by crispy78 on Jul 16, 2024 8:04:06 GMT -5
Christianity must be a very different thing in America, if supposed Christians can be even remotely under the impression that Trump aligns with the tenets of Christianity in any way...
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Post by skyth on Jul 16, 2024 8:40:08 GMT -5
It is a very different thing. Especially with prosperity gospel.
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Post by herzlos on Jul 16, 2024 9:21:34 GMT -5
Christianity must be a very different thing in America, if supposed Christians can be even remotely under the impression that Trump aligns with the tenets of Christianity in any way... Jesus would not like American Christians. And American Christians would not like Jesus. |
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Post by easye on Jul 16, 2024 9:42:06 GMT -5
An angel deflected the bullets.... right into that retired firefighter.... I guess?
The Right-Wing this election has been particularly loud and boisterous about how their win is inevitable. That is because they know they are weak and their chances of winning are low. It is a standard right-wing strategy to always project power, and the louder and more energized they shout about victory; the more weak they are feeling on the inside. They have eyes and can see the map, see the primary results, etc. They are doing their best to do something to motivate their base using the old Rovian strategy of move the base and Feth the rest.
This assassination attempt and the convention will give Trump a small bounce for Trump Leaning "undecideds" that will not matter in November as those same people all ready voted for him in 2020. Biden is picking up steam as moderates start to see how "cult-like" the MAGA movement is. All this talk of divine intervention is not helping them. JD Vance, is a known quantity and brings no new voters as his followers are all ready Trump voters as well. His choice was a big mistake vote wise, but a win for more $$$$.
At this point, I still do not see a way Trump flips any new states with the possible exception of Georgia or Nevada. However, in Georgia the very popular Republican Governor Kemp may not do much to help Trump actually win the state. They are not on good terms. Kemp gains nothing with another DJT Presidency, and in fact a Trump win could be the death of his career. Plus, some conservative House districts in the South have flipped based on Abortion and IVF.
Michigan and Wisconsin are coming off strong Democratic wins in recent elections. Dems have vastly out-performed polling since 2018. It is possible that Biden will even flip Ohio off the back of the Abortion wins there, if that same coalition can come out to vote. Florida also has Abortion directly on the ballot and that has historically helped Dems swing the suburbs for wins. The key to this election will be suburban white, women voters in Swing States and the Dems have been very strong in this demographic since Roe.
At this point, I am betting on an Electoral Map and Popular vote count similar to 2020, and the only real changes I would expect to see will be in Nevada.
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Post by pacific on Jul 16, 2024 9:57:37 GMT -5
That is quite heartening to read easye.
How much do you think the latest age-related floundering by Biden is likely to reduce those voting for him, even if in this case that no-additional votes will come as a result of Vance being added as his vice president?
Yes about the missed shot, which went instead into the brain of the audience member. I did read that Biden tried to call the man's wife - although she refused the call. No such thing from Trump, which I think shows (if we needed any more examples) the measure of the man.
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Post by Haighus on Jul 16, 2024 10:55:53 GMT -5
Hmm, yeah. US politics seem to increasingly be about encouraging turn-out amongst ossified bases rather than trying to win over floating voters.
So the question isn't whether this will increase support for Trump,it probably won't in a meaningful way. The question is whether this means more Trump supporters turn up on polling day who otherwise would have stayed at home.
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Post by easye on Jul 16, 2024 11:00:58 GMT -5
That is my prediction, so don't get too excited. My take was very, very wrong in 2016. My predictions and a nickel will get you a cup of coffee at Wall Drug.
However, no Dems or Dem leaning voter is going to sit this one out. They will crawl over broken glass to vote for a Dem President, Biden or not, and all the talk you hear about replacing him is:
1. The Media constantly trying to creating the illusion that there will be a brokered convention/horse-race election. Blow-outs do not generate $$$.
2. The usual Dem circular firing squad. Dems in highly progressive or tight races always have to distance themselves from the President
3. The Biden replacement story has been pushed hardest by right leaning media, and then others choose to pick it up in order to look "balanced".
4. Almost all US Media is owned by Billionaires and Mega-Corps
The right and Republicans are the ones desperate to motivate their base to get to the polls. Dems are all ready locked and loaded to be there, just like 2020. I expect Biden to win pretty much the same number of votes.
Trump actually got more votes in 2020 than 2016. His only chance is to continue to find "new" voters, and he has done that successfully in the past. However, I am not sure there is much more space in the voting pool for him to dig up enough new voters in those key states to off-set the Biden votes.
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