herzlos
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Post by herzlos on Oct 17, 2023 16:55:07 GMT -5
No, I don't. And why would your post get deleted? Unless you are admitting it is just racism? Is observing the rape, murder, islamic stabbings and bombings racist? lol musn’t let your lying eyes get in the way. It depends if it's real or fabricated.
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Post by redchimera on Oct 18, 2023 4:43:48 GMT -5
Is observing the rape, murder, islamic stabbings and bombings racist? lol musn’t let your lying eyes get in the way. It depends if it's real or fabricated. A quick and dirty look at some stats shows that over the past decade-and-a-half, the murder/homicide rate in Poland bears no correlation to the population.
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Post by Haighus on Nov 23, 2023 6:05:25 GMT -5
One for the Dutch members- How impactful is the PPV success in yesterday's elections?
Edit: for context, this is the far right Netherlands party of Geert Wilders, with a very anti-immigrant and anti-refugee position.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 23, 2023 12:36:42 GMT -5
Hard to say. Wilders is really normalizing his tone, he's dumped his anti-islam points and says he will obey the constitution. He has little choice, as he will need to work with at least two other parties (which have already said there are unacceptable lines) to govern, that could pull the plug at any time.
He could end up forming a government, but there would likely be little to nothing left of what made Wilders/the PVV infamous internationally, i.e. his vocal anti-Islam/-EU rethoric.
Its still a garbage result, appalling that even 25% of voters even considered this shitshow, but thankfully our system (and prior agreements/laws) should keep him muzzled options wise. I think a lot of people are going to end up dissapointed with Wilders the politician versus Wilders the populist they voted for.
He will get a government that will try to reduce some immigration, but given that he will need to work with right wing business parties (pro labor immigration), he might affect 10-20% of the numbers at best. The previous government without Wilders fell over immigration too, because there is no easy fix or stop, its just easy to shout from the sidelines.
Of course, he might also end up failing to form a government.
Just to clarify, Wilders is the PVV, the PVV literally (I can't emphasize enough how literal this is, because it sounds like snark but isn't) has only 1 member, himself. All of those around him are basically glorified staff, even though he can't directly remove them from their seats outside of an election.
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Post by redchimera on Mar 1, 2024 13:36:34 GMT -5
Rishi is saying we need to do something about extremists, in a response to arch-fuckwit Galloway's victory in the Rochdale by-election. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68451380He's right, of course. For instance, I have seen the work of a cabal of fundamentalists, funded mainly from overseas, who have for over a decade worked to undermine the UK's core infrastructure! Through nefarious means they sabotage our relationships with other countries and ruin our utility systems, civic transportation network and justice system. Their friends and allies are in positions of power and bend the media and communication systems for their own betterment! They must be stopped at all costs!
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Post by Haighus on Mar 2, 2024 12:20:45 GMT -5
Incidentally, the Rochdale result is remarkable. A candidate standing for a minor party winning more votes than the 3 major parties combined plus Reform? Clearly Gaza is a big deal in Rochdale.
This is not generalisable to the GE later this year, but it is a big loss for the major parties. Labour nearly lost their deposit (I now they stopped supporting their candidate before the election, but still surprising).
Galloway is a very flawed character and I don't like the man, he is a mysogynistic and transphobic social conservative and a paid tankie. However, his critiques of Western imperialism have generally been correct. I can see why folks would vote for him during the current situation in Gaza, especially as they'll be able to vote again in a few months.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 2, 2024 13:04:59 GMT -5
It’s almost as if there’s a part of the electorate that feels unlistened to, isn’t it? A section of society that’s now the last bastion of right wing bigotry.
Don’t get me wrong. Rochdale of all places has had serious issue in terms of race relations and Fucking Awfulness. I’m not about to excuse or underplay that. Yet, where it seems society is mostly content to “a few bad apples” other minorities, that seemingly isn’t extended to the Muslim Community. The old false equivalence of “100% of Muslim Terrorists are Muslim, therefore all Muslims are Terrorists”. Could be veiled bigotry or “loud and proud” cunts like Little Tommy Ten Names and Farage etc.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 2, 2024 13:10:14 GMT -5
Oh, and don’t forget the PM referring to those marching in solidarity with Palestine as extremists.
That’s right. Those who have by no means endorsed Hamas or its actions, but want to see a ceasefire in Gaza are extremists. Or 30p Lee being lightly tapped on the wrist for claiming the Mayor of London is in thrall to Islamists. Suspended, remember. Not actually reprimanded.
And they wonder why a politician offering to stand up for them is elected where Muslims make up a significant proportion of the electorate.
Fuck the Tories. And Fuck Labour too on this one.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 2, 2024 13:28:04 GMT -5
I want to point out that Rochdale is only 30% muslim and people canvassing in the area reported that a lot of non-muslim residents also discussed Gaza as an issue important to them.
This goes beyond muslims, despite the disgusting attempts to paint all British muslims and all Palestine peace protesters as being islamist-supporting extremists. The Palestine protests have been remarkably peaceful compared to other protest movements of recent years, particularly as a proportion of the numbers marching.
70% of the British public supports a ceasefire in polling. That is huge.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 2, 2024 13:55:34 GMT -5
It’s still a high percentage compared to the rest of the country. I suspect people in that area being broadly in favour a Gaza ceasefire may be a direct result. When a healthy proportion of the people you meet are likely to be in favour of that, you’re more likely to meet well thought and persuasive reasons why.
I’m really hoping the Tories get a right kicking at the general election and give their heads a wobble. They’re in the current state they’re in because then went down the Far Right Racist Bullshit line in the first place.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 7, 2024 6:13:13 GMT -5
UK budget was pretty unexcited, the usual minor NI tweaks which will save people a marginal amount of money. It's been described as an election budget and I've seen some comment that Tory Party behaviour is pointing to an imminent election presumably to try and ride some wave like the budget.
Interestingly there was a promise to fix the broken child benefit* in 2026, which is obviously a tiny bribe to middle earners to keep the Tories elected, and a temporary tweak**.
*All families with children can get £24/week for 1st child and another £16/week for additional children. But if one partner earns more than £50k they have to pay it back gradually up to £60k where it all gets paid back. Which means a tax return which is a PITA. I gave up on it because tax returns cause so much hassle and most of the time I gave most of the money back. The broken part is that if you have 2 parents earning £49,999 you can get the full allowance on a household income of £99,998, but if you have 1 parent on £60k and 1 not earning you get nothing.
**It's changing from £50k-£60k to £60k-£80k. Which means I'm elegable for it but I'm not going to apply because the tax return self assessment is so much of a pain.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 7, 2024 6:24:22 GMT -5
NI cut is an odd one,
I’ll be marginally better off as a result. But, with my rent increasing £30 to £825 a month? I’m breaking even. Which means it’s done two third of fifty percent of fuck all in addressing the cost of living crisis.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 7, 2024 6:32:42 GMT -5
The NI cut is unhelpful for the nation. It will be £10 billion less in the public coffers from what I recall, and will benefit high earners more. Would be better to just distribute that money out to those struggling but that won't win any Tory votes.
If they wanted to cut a tax, they should go for a regressive one like VAT. But that won't help their base as much so they won't do it.
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Post by redchimera on Mar 7, 2024 7:27:04 GMT -5
The Tories are the party of tax cuts, so they had to cut some tax. But primarily the budget was to sabotage Labour while trying to look like the party of low taxation. But NI contributions is a crap tax to cut - the effect on the common population is minor and it's less money for benefits (of course, that's a good thing). Scrapping non-dom status as they shut the door behind them isn't fooling anyone. Notably at lot of things that will make up the shortfall are quite nebulous. 'Productivity improvements' is like expecting GW to bring back Dark Future and the vape tax isn't until 2026, to allow 'consultation' (ie for vape companies to increase the donations to the Tory party, and then it'll be dropped).
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 11, 2024 6:27:20 GMT -5
30p Lee has fucked off to join Reform, following his suspension from the Tories, on account he’s a lying, racist gobshite.
Wonder if we’ll see a by-election triggered? I can never remember if defections by a sitting MP trigger those.
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