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Post by nfe on Mar 11, 2024 6:53:53 GMT -5
30p Lee has fucked off to join Reform, following his suspension from the Tories, on account he’s a lying, racist gobshite. Wonder if we’ll see a by-election triggered? I can never remember if defections by a sitting MP trigger those. Not technically a defection. He was an independent this morning. That said... We don't elect parties, we elect representative individuals, so no. Every party calls for every defection to trigger one but almost no one ever does. Douglas Carswell is the only example I can think of off the top of my head.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 11, 2024 6:57:06 GMT -5
Wonder if we’ll see a by-election triggered? I can never remember if defections by a sitting MP trigger those. Nope, *technically* you're voting for the MP and not the party, so an MP "crossing the chamber" doesn't automatically trigger a by-election. It absolutely should though because it's unlikely an MP can be detached from the party particularly when the party lines/whips are involved. He could still be recalled and face a by-election that way.
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Post by pacific on Mar 12, 2024 7:21:38 GMT -5
The one positive from this (if you can call it now), looking at how Reform are now showing in the polls, they are going to be taking a fair few votes from the Tories - I assume more from the Tories, rather than Labour or the Lib Dems, looking at the sort of demographic that they seem to be attracting.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 12, 2024 9:42:44 GMT -5
The one positive from this (if you can call it now), looking at how Reform are now showing in the polls, they are going to be taking a fair few votes from the Tories - I assume more from the Tories, rather than Labour or the Lib Dems, looking at the sort of demographic that they seem to be attracting. I fear this is going to push the Tories into outright fascism by the next GE though. I really worry about 2029.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 12, 2024 11:00:47 GMT -5
It'd be marginally amusing, but more alarming, if Reform got more seats than the Tories at a GE. As mentioned, it'd mean the Tories would try and push further right to win back the frothing Brexiteer votes.
As long as a Reform/Tory coalition wasn't enough to have any power.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 12, 2024 11:08:16 GMT -5
It'd be marginally amusing, but more alarming, if Reform got more seats than the Tories at a GE. As mentioned, it'd mean the Tories would try and push further right to win back the frothing Brexiteer votes. As long as a Reform/Tory coalition wasn't enough to have any power. Very unlikely currently, but I do wonder what a few more high profile defections could do the polling landscape.
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Post by pacific on Mar 14, 2024 3:47:41 GMT -5
On the other hand, will cutting out the tumorous outgrowth from the Conservatives of right-wing popularism/nationalism cause the Tories to 'reset' to their pre-2016 form? Or will it replace the party from the inside-out, as we are seeing to an extent with the Republicans in the US?
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Post by Haighus on Mar 14, 2024 3:52:33 GMT -5
On the other hand, will cutting out the tumorous outgrowth from the Conservatives of right-wing popularism/nationalism cause the Tories to 'reset' to their pre-2016 form? Or will it replace the party from the inside-out, as we are seeing to an extent with the Republicans in the US? I'd like the former, but probably it will be like what happened to the Republican party. The Tory party membership agree with a lot of this stuff. Their biggest donor is a raging racist who thinks a sitting politician should be shot, and the Tories have said they would accept another £10 million from him if he donated it today... I don't see a change in direction is likely.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 14, 2024 5:34:59 GMT -5
Well, the cunts are trying to shift the legal definition of Extremism.
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Post by crispy78 on Mar 14, 2024 5:48:13 GMT -5
I am massively entertained by this business about the Conservative's biggest donor being a nasty racist cunt. Guess what - so are the rest of them...
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 14, 2024 6:30:16 GMT -5
But not an extremist, presumably.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 14, 2024 7:24:25 GMT -5
I am massively entertained by this business about the Conservative's biggest donor being a nasty racist cunt. Guess what - so are the rest of them... So it seems £10m is enough to make someone immune to law. Sunak has been asked and refused to return the money. Defending the guy by saying that it's possible to make racist comments without actually being racist and since he's apologized we should all just move on. Interestingly, when this happened in Parliament, Dianne Abbot (the victim of the comments and threats) stood up 46 times to speak and was ignored by the Speaker, so she didn't get to contribute in a debate about her.
Nah. He only said that a black MP should be shot, and that she was enough to make him hate all black women.
It's only extremism if the Tories don't like it.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 14, 2024 7:27:18 GMT -5
Another interesting but bizarre thing I found the other day was that South Cambridge council ran a 1-year trial on a 4 day working week. It went incredibly well, saving them about £500k in recruiting, contractor and productivity costs, so they decided to continue with it because it's the obvious solution.
So naturally the Government told them to stop, they refused and now there's the possibility that the Government will legislate to force them.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 14, 2024 7:29:32 GMT -5
Another interesting but bizarre thing I found the other day was that South Cambridge council ran a 1-year trial on a 4 day working week. It went incredibly well, saving them about £500k in recruiting, contractor and productivity costs, so they decided to continue with it because it's the obvious solution. So naturally the Government told them to stop, they refused and now there's the possibility that the Government will legislate to force them. Definitely the party of efficiency and small government...
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Post by Haighus on Mar 14, 2024 7:34:24 GMT -5
I am massively entertained by this business about the Conservative's biggest donor being a nasty racist cunt. Guess what - so are the rest of them... So it seems £10m is enough to make someone immune to law. Sunak has been asked and refused to return the money. Defending the guy by saying that it's possible to make racist comments without actually being racist and since he's apologized we should all just move on. Apparently it has now been referred to the police. Not holding my breath on that. The donor has a history of racist comments to his workers. Frankly, the speaker needs to go. Terrible performance over the last few weeks, displayed a lack of impartiality and doesn't seem to actually care about MP safety now despite using that as the excuse for breaking convention before. Also apparently is open to leverage from Labour. This should be worrying to the Tories as Hoyle has demonstrated they will not respect minority parties (which is the primary reason the speaker is supposed to be impartial) and the Tories are likely to be a minority soon. They can expect similar treatment as the SNP recently. If he had integrity he would have resigned by now with how many MPs have called for a vote of no confidence already.
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