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Post by crispy78 on Mar 14, 2024 8:37:52 GMT -5
It's only extremism if the Tories don't like it.
I don't think that's how they're officially going to describe it, but I think that's the basic gist, yeah...
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Post by herzlos on Mar 14, 2024 9:53:27 GMT -5
A couple of interesting points that I've just noticed:
In all the press headlines etc Frank Hester is referred to only as a "Tory Donor". His names in the text of the article somewhere, but I'm sure they'd usually be named in the article too. I find it very suspicious when the owner of a company getting about £200m/year in Government contracts is donating £10m to the incumbent political party. I really think there should be an outright ban on party donations coming from people affiliated with Government contract bids. Government staff can't even accept a free pen for risk of bias or unfair dealings but parties can do whatever they want.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 14, 2024 11:47:11 GMT -5
Even in my job, I have to log so much as a thank you card. Not that anyone has ever sent me one. The sods.
But hey, nobody ever said the Tories weren’t corrupt.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 18, 2024 8:06:57 GMT -5
I see GBeebies are out of their pram again following another Ofcom ruling against them. In the shit over programmes with Rees-Mogg, Esther McVey and Philip Davies. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68596973sooner that shite is off the air, the better. We don’t need your “alternative facts” here, thank you very much.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 18, 2024 9:09:34 GMT -5
Tough punishment dished out though - maybe they'll get in trouble if they do it again.
Given it sounds like they are going off air soon anyway due to funding I can't see why they'd care about losing their license.
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Post by mdgv2 on Mar 18, 2024 9:49:32 GMT -5
Ahh but this is Hard Right Conspiracy Shit Pump. Anything bad that happens is never gonna be their fault. Ever. It’s always someone else, always them being the victim.
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Post by pacific on Mar 18, 2024 10:55:18 GMT -5
Tough punishment dished out though - maybe they'll get in trouble if they do it again. Given it sounds like they are going off air soon anyway due to funding I can't see why they'd care about losing their license. I find it amazing that the channel manages to keep getting funding, given that reportedly about 7 people watch some of the shows.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 18, 2024 11:09:29 GMT -5
Eh, these right wing media organisations alwways struggle to start with- Fox didn't become big overnight. The question is whether GB news can turn things around before their donors find a different project that they think will bear political fruit quicker.
At their core, these organisations are trying to nuture a sort of conservative/regressive grassroots movement that isn't very big* without this kind of sustained effort. It is only by pissing huge amounts of money into these media organisations that those "grassroots" movements can be maintained as a cohesive force in support of our current inequality.
Compare the funding of, say, Murdoch's Talk TV (now moving online only due to abysmal viewship on mainstream telly) to a crowd-funded organisation like Novara media that gets far more views on its web platform than Talk TV got on the telly, and imagine what some of these left-wing organisations could achieve if they had the funding of the former. There is of course an element of diminishing returns, but I think the funding disparities highlight the challenges to the conservative ultra-rich in selling their worldview to those they screw over. Unfortunately, they have the money to overcome those challenges and spaff a few million on something like GB news and barely notice.
*By big, I mean as a coherent, organised coalition rather than a mess of fragmented groups with different agendas.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 21, 2024 4:34:33 GMT -5
So the Rwanda deportation regislation have been delayed again due to 7 amendments in the House Of Lords. However now the Tories are claiming a success because the small boat crossings are down by 1/3rd since the legislation claiming that people now see it is "not worth it". I can see them banging the hell out of this drum since it's apparently a big deal to a lot of voters.
Of course I don't believe it. Boat crossings are down by about 1/3rd from 2022 to 2023, but I doubt the UK Gov legislation is the reason given it's not in place and hasn't done anything yet. I assume it's either due to a spike in 2022 or better enforcement in France.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 21, 2024 4:43:48 GMT -5
Plus even if working as intended, the Rwanda plan would only deport a tiny percentage of all immigrants and is a trivial risk compared to risking a channel crossing (for example). It was something like 0.6% of all immigrants.
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Post by pacific on Mar 22, 2024 6:04:42 GMT -5
Yep - I think it's all about the cruelty, and appealing to those who either enjoy that cruelty or are not informed enough to know it won't be effective, rather than the actual efficacy of the policy itself.
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Post by herzlos on Mar 22, 2024 7:26:58 GMT -5
So whilst boat migrants were down by about 1/3rd from 2022->2023, they are on track to be at least 10% up from 2023->2024. Because the migrants are obviously terrified of the tiny risk of Rwanda deportation. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/small-boat-arrivals-up-10-32408137The Tories are very much a party of sound bites at the moment - it doesn't matter what happens with their claims as long as they have a clip they can play to appeal to the low information voters. Were they always like that? Am I just becoming more aware of it now?
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Post by pacific on Mar 26, 2024 11:02:36 GMT -5
I think there has always been an element of that. Because they are only ever actually looking out for the interests of a relatively small percentage of the population (the comment by Hunt the other day about £100k being an 'average' salary amount I think shows the disconnect but also who they are there for) then it's necessary to spend the rest of your efforts trying to trick the other, larger, percentage of the population that you are there for them too. So hence all of the culture war horseshit, dog-whistling to the lowest common denominator, promoting fear of 'other' (of which Rwanda is a core component) and that other group coming to take what little you have; which is ironic as they are the biggest thieves of all and hidden in plain sight.
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Post by Haighus on Mar 27, 2024 4:56:43 GMT -5
Potentially a huge scandal emerging within the Labour party where the leadership may have been rigging internal elections in favour of candidates loyal to the leadership.
If nothing else, the situation reeks when they're using a bespoke system created by a company owned by a pair of Labour members (one is a councillor in Croydon) who are friends of the Labour chairman, that no one outside Labour uses, and for which the internal data is only visible to the Labour leadership and not even Labour election tellers.
The police have opened a cybercrime investigation into this.
Bearing in mind this is the party who will almost certainly be overseeing national elections within the next 12 months.
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Post by crispy78 on Mar 27, 2024 5:47:43 GMT -5
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