Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Jul 11, 2023 6:22:35 GMT -5
Self-referencing is perfectly fine - assuming the original publication is itself reputable... In this case, it is about as reputable as "trust me bro". I think it is different if the self-reference is easily readable, like a journal article rather than an entire book. It is akin to posting a 4 hour Youtube vid without explanation as evidence of a position. Edit: they could at least mention what kind of sources they "sifted".
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Jul 11, 2023 11:37:40 GMT -5
I suspect the techpriest thread in the lore subforum is about to devolve into a nasty place, which would be a shame because the discussion of reproduction in a super-advanced society is interesting.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 11, 2023 16:41:11 GMT -5
Oof, that author's note to his own book that you can see on Amazon feels like very thinly veiled fascist apologism. "My takeaway was that the war was dirty, obscure and the wrong side won. Decades later I took a deeper look at the topic and was astonished to find that just about everything I thought I knew was wrong." Some further comments on how the victors did not write the history on the Spanish CW (uh 30 years of Franco rule did not write victor's history in Spain???). Some incredibly suspect writing around the origins of one of the longest surviving fascist regimes in the world. Edit: if the reviews are true regarding contents, this book would never be reputable due to some incredible sounding teleological takes. You know why you can't look at military history in a vacuum? Because you get some incredible whitewashing that was often started by the perpetrators themselves a la the Clean Wehrmacht myth. "This book provides a welcome addition to the growing body of work that examines the war as a military rather than political event." Somebody skipped their Clausewitz in university. www.amazon.com/Long-Live-Death-Victory-Spanish-ebook/dp/B08DCHBG45?ref_=ast_author_dp
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Post by Haighus on Jul 12, 2023 1:26:19 GMT -5
Are comments disappearing? I can't find what you are mentioning, and a review I just read seems to have disappeared on looking again- from someone who apparently provided a translation of an important Spanish source from 1973... two years before the Franco regime fell.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 12, 2023 4:20:45 GMT -5
Sorry, comments as in what he wrote in the author's note visible on Amazon. I could basically copy paste any part of the Amazon description and none of it puts the author in a great light, either morally or as a historian (the aformentioned teleological no-no's).
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Jul 12, 2023 4:29:35 GMT -5
Sorry, comments as in what he wrote in the author's note visible on Amazon. I could basically copy paste any part of the Amazon description and none of it puts the author in a great light, either morally or as a historian (the aformentioned teleological no-no's). Ah, gotcha. It seems some reviews are disappearing though. Bit odd.
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Haighus
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Post by Haighus on Jul 12, 2023 4:31:36 GMT -5
Sorry, comments as in what he wrote in the author's note visible on Amazon. I could basically copy paste any part of the Amazon description and none of it puts the author in a great light, either morally or as a historian (the aformentioned teleological no-no's). Ah, gotcha. It seems some reviews are disappearing though. Bit odd. Edit: it reappeared! Must be Amazon shenanigans.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 12, 2023 4:33:39 GMT -5
Moving the comment: The book referenced (and apparently used by the author) was written during the Franco period, so how objective it could be is always difficult to estimate during periods of repression.
It is a shame that the bibliography isn't visible, but given what is visible, I'm not paying a single cent to see it.
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Post by Haighus on Jul 12, 2023 4:52:52 GMT -5
Moving the comment: The book referenced (and apparently used by the author) was written during the Franco period, so how objective it could be is always difficult to estimate during periods of repression. It is a shame that the bibliography isn't visible, but given what is visible, I'm not paying a single cent to see it. Couldn't find much about the spanish author of the source. Appears they later wrote a similar book about the reverse perspective and lived in Catalonia. Unclear what the book says overall. I was more concerned by the statement that only some chapters were translated and forwarded as a source. Anyway, following on from Franco and Chiang Kai Shek I await Mr Lloyd's next book on the Argentinian Junta in the Fauklands or something from a purely military perspective. Edit: for those US folks out there, what is the Michigan Army? A national guard unit? I didn't realise states stylised their formal militias that way...
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 12, 2023 5:09:34 GMT -5
So to be fair, I can't really get a read on his other book through Amazon, but if how he refers to both Franco and Chiang is a sort of indication:
2 books is hardly a pattern, but it does kind of seem like rehabilitating facist (adjacent) leaders fighting against the evil lefty commies and how they are tragically misunderstood yet exceptional.
So my joke guess would be discussing how Pinochet had to have people thrown out of aircraft as a stroke of tactical excellence to prevent an obviously worse potential future?
As for the Michigan thing, apparently according to Wikipedia it just refers to the army part of the state's national guard structure.
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Post by pacific on Jul 12, 2023 5:22:35 GMT -5
I guess it's one way to guarantee sales of your books.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 12, 2023 5:50:53 GMT -5
The market for Francoboos is probably smaller outside Spain, but more palatable in public than the Wehraboo tripe.
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Post by Haighus on Jul 12, 2023 6:39:25 GMT -5
The US seems to have a bit of a cultural tradition of supporting weird foreign fascists, so the market may be larger than we'd expect.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 12, 2023 7:43:56 GMT -5
Yes, pretending that people like Franco got the short end of the historical stick, when much of the Western post WW2 views were colored by Cold War "better a fascist than a communist" thinking is quite strange. If anything, most of them still need some further tearing down in their respective countries and abroad.
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Post by herzlos on Jul 13, 2023 10:51:14 GMT -5
What happened to the "would you pay a GM/DM" thread? I'm sure I replied to it but I can't find it anywhere.
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