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Post by easye on Aug 23, 2023 10:02:16 GMT -5
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mdgv2
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Post by mdgv2 on Aug 23, 2023 11:45:55 GMT -5
I look forward to Flermin losing their tiny, uninformed, peak of Mount Dunning-Kruger minds.
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Post by herzlos on Aug 23, 2023 14:26:41 GMT -5
Maybe I've not been paying attention, but why is anyone wasting money and resources trying to visit the moon now? Does it achieve anything other than pretending being a space superpower is a thing?
India has a lot of problems it could be solving before blowing billions on the moon.
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Post by easye on Aug 23, 2023 14:32:51 GMT -5
Pretending to be a space superpower IS the point.
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Post by mdgv2 on Aug 23, 2023 15:04:10 GMT -5
Maybe I've not been paying attention, but why is anyone wasting money and resources trying to visit the moon now? Does it achieve anything other than pretending being a space superpower is a thing? India has a lot of problems it could be solving before blowing billions on the moon. It’s all incremental advances in science. And advances in science won’t necessarily result in obvious benefits in the short term. Or even mid-term. But given we’ve buttfucked our world and collectively swarm it like the worst plague it’s ever seen? Maybe these fractions of hope we might be able to head out into the stars is just the thing to defeat the introverted “me first” politics of recent decades.
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Post by herzlos on Aug 23, 2023 16:39:07 GMT -5
I don't think we should be taking over any other planets until we can take care of this one.
Boy am I jaded.
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Post by easye on Aug 23, 2023 16:44:53 GMT -5
But, what about one of our own satellites like the moon? It's not technically another planet so......
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Post by mdgv2 on Aug 23, 2023 16:45:37 GMT -5
I don't think we should be taking over any other planets until we can take care of this one. Boy am I jaded. Don’t worry. Those who trust the word of pig ignorant shepherds wot lived *a long long time ago* wouldn’t bother joining more rationale minds. Build the interstellar ship, get me a seat. If it goes wrong and I die by my own hopes and dreams? Still beats dying for some moron’s “hopes and dreams that came from a book written thousands of years ago and when ‘god’ speaks to them it’s apparently not schizophrenia’
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Post by Haighus on Aug 24, 2023 5:24:21 GMT -5
Maybe I've not been paying attention, but why is anyone wasting money and resources trying to visit the moon now? Does it achieve anything other than pretending being a space superpower is a thing? India has a lot of problems it could be solving before blowing billions on the moon. Whilst I understand the sentiment, I do think this is interesting: And it did so on a very restrictive budget. The Chandrayaan-3 cost was sent to the Moon at a cost of about 6.15 billion rupees, or $75 million, according to Reuters. That is less than the cost of most blockbuster space films. Gravity cost $100 million, The Martian cost $108 million – and it was less than half the cost of Interstellar, which was filmed on a budget of $165 million. It even costs less than some houses. The UK’s most expensive house, for instance, went on sale at £200 million, or nearly three-and-a-half missions to the Moon. With that in mind, I'd much rather the money was spent on a science mission than unproductive property speculation. I'm not going to say we shouldn't have films because art is fundamentally important to the human condition, but the price difference is illustrative.
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Post by Haighus on Aug 24, 2023 5:27:34 GMT -5
I don't think we should be taking over any other planets until we can take care of this one. Boy am I jaded. Don’t worry. Those who trust the word of pig ignorant shepherds wot lived *a long long time ago* wouldn’t bother joining more rationale minds. Build the interstellar ship, get me a seat. If it goes wrong and I die by my own hopes and dreams? Still beats dying for some moron’s “hopes and dreams that came from a book written thousands of years ago and when ‘god’ speaks to them it’s apparently not schizophrenia’ Well... considering the Mars colony example is Musk's brainchild and supposed personal fiefdom, I'd rather not live in Xopolis. Lets fix this world before we export the same system elsewhere.
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Post by pacific on Aug 24, 2023 6:33:50 GMT -5
Thanks for making this thread EasyE - I know we had one (or at least a general space exploration thread) on the old ETC forum until it was nuked.
Firstly, massive congratulations to India! Not an easy feat at all to achieve and this will be a massive boost to their space program.
Poor Russia - reading a book about Gargarin recently, and to think they had a program once that successfully landed a probe on fecking *Venus* almost 50 years ago, this must surely mark a low point.
As for the question of 'should we'? It's definitely an important topic. I think personally that there would be massive inequality with or without these programs - I have visited India and know of the horrendous level of inequality that exists there - but the scientific institutes, the industry and technology that comes from these programs will have a benefit reaching far beyond just planting a flag somewhere.
I also, being pessimistic, do not think it's within our nature to be able to resolve our propensity to utterly destroy our environment and for eventually there to be some sort of civilisational collapse. So, if we are to survive as a species, we need to move some of our eggs from the same basket, and ultimately settle on both Mars and ultimately beyond the reaches of our solar system while we have the technological and industrial capacity to do so.
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Post by mdgv2 on Aug 24, 2023 6:36:52 GMT -5
Is an established Moon Base/City considered a prerequisite for further expansion? Only in my idiot mind, I keep thinking if we can mine, refine and build ships there, it’s lesser gravity might help launch larger craft to Mars?
Immediate issues I can think of would be time, and it’s own orbit affecting potential launch windows?
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 24, 2023 6:57:39 GMT -5
That is basically the reasoning, low gravity and potential material to make fuel from makes it a better launch pad for further away missions in the future. So far I don't think they are considering building spacecraft there though, just using it as a method to require less load leaving earth, a gas station on the moon.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 24, 2023 7:57:43 GMT -5
Plus, how do we hold Horus at bay if there's no Luna to stalwartly defend the Emperor's vision?
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Aug 24, 2023 8:01:44 GMT -5
Plus, how do we hold Horus at bay if there's no Luna to stalwartly defend the Emperor's vision? No Luna -> No Luna Wolves, we'll be fine!
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