CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jul 9, 2019 13:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 9, 2019 13:47:30 GMT -5
(INB4 someone says "BUT THAT'S FROM A FOREIGN NATIONAL, PAID FOR BY THE DNC!" while conveniently forgetting who initially started the dossier)
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jul 9, 2019 13:51:28 GMT -5
"someone"
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 9, 2019 14:43:05 GMT -5
On a recent discussion about the Iran deal on Twitter with someone whose bio included something like “The left is cancer”, after answering to accusations that I was only saying the deal was good because it was made by Obama and destroyed by Trump, to which I replied insisting that no, it was personal for me because of my friends and family living there and actually suffering consequences in a way that someone focused on US internal politics, I got this answer:
which is heartwarming and did restore a bit of my faith in humanity.
Seriously, the whole “The Iranian government is bad so breaking the deal is okay” is so much bullshit. It's like stealing money from an abusive husband/father and responding to any accusations about it by saying “Why are you defending an abusive man?”, while at the same time being best pal with someone who sends his wife to the hospital every week. Not only is it obviously hypocritical (if you care about the abusive part, you wouldn't be friend with the worst abuser) but it's worse than this, because even if we ignore that friendship, you aren't helping the abused wive and children, quite the opposite. The end result is that the wife and children, those you fucking pretend to care about, end up not having enough to eat because of the money you stole (look up at inflation rates in Iran, those are terrible!!!) and the abusive guy will pass his nerves on them (and you can be sure that destroying the deal also destroyed the credibility of every reformist and progressive in favor of it…). Think about that, Whembly.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 9, 2019 17:42:44 GMT -5
"someone" Yeah... Someone... A certain scumbag someone...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 18:39:28 GMT -5
Both sides now have Holocaust survivors saying these centers are/are not like concentration camps. Well, no, there's one guy in the 'are not' camp and about a dozen in the 'are' camp. George Takei, famed actor and previous resident of the US concentration camp at Rohwer War Relocation Center and Tule Lake War Relocation Center, pointed out that at least they didn't take him from his family when he was interned.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Jul 10, 2019 1:29:03 GMT -5
The good old "both sides" false equivalence, as previously seen in the climate change "debate"!
Don't you all know that one person arguing on the side of the republicans is the counter to everybody on the side of the left? So what if that person said they'd be happy to eat weedkiller in an interview on TV, or their "research" is entirely funded by the fossil fuel industry and goes against what the scientific consensus says (and yes, there is consensus that humans are driving climate change through the burning of fossil fuels)? They're on my side so they must be right, or at least the issue is "complicated" and still "up for debate".
It's also again worth pointing out that prior to climate change, these tactics were used by tobacco companies to try and hide the fact that smoking kills people. And it's not even just the tactics, the think tanks pushing the shoddy, misleading garbage about humans not being a cause of climate change are the same ones who were pushing the shoddy, misleading garbage that smoking didn't kill.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 10, 2019 4:38:11 GMT -5
Yes, that's why I asked this before (but got no answer ): otzone.proboards.com/post/131964/threadTrying to figure out if the republican base have always been that subservient to big multinationals lobbying, or if it's a new development.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 10, 2019 8:47:06 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken in the case of smoking the lobby really started to pick up steam in the 60's. Then it was mainly focussed on the South, where it was produced. Of course lobbying in general shifts between party lines, is dedicated to one party or neutral depending on the subject. Like the environment, Republicans founded the EPA and such, but the 90's saw the beginning of the shift away from environmentalism as they shifted right.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Jul 10, 2019 8:54:18 GMT -5
Both sides now have Holocaust survivors saying these centers are/are not like concentration camps. Well, no, there's one guy in the 'are not' camp and about a dozen in the 'are' camp. George Takei, famed actor and previous resident of the US concentration camp at Rohwer War Relocation Center and Tule Lake War Relocation Center, pointed out that at least they didn't take him from his family when he was interned. It always boils down to the no true scotsman argument they use. Just keep cutting back on qualifiers until nothing but Auschwitz counts anymore. Now in the news is a camp in Yuma Arizona where it is being alleged that BP staff sexually assaulted a 15 year old in front of other staff and children. There is more about abuse by camp guards, its like they're acting as if they're running a concentration camp or something... www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-kids-overcrowded-arizona-border-station-allege-sex-assault-retaliation-n1027886?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 10, 2019 11:53:13 GMT -5
Disagree with them on claim #6 that would classify as mostly true, not false. But as they say, *it wasn't the aim of the deal*.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 10, 2019 15:02:11 GMT -5
What a scumbag. Or a typical republican I guess.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Jul 10, 2019 15:20:16 GMT -5
Tell me Whembly, is lying to the public to justify bad foreign policy operations also standard republican policy? What, yes it is? Ah well yeah you are right on this one, remember Irak's WMD? Bully country.
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Jul 10, 2019 15:24:41 GMT -5
What a scumbag. Or a typical republican I guess. Unfortunately, Epstein is connected to politicians of all stripes, notably Bill Clinton, a fact that MAGAtards are using to obfuscate the very real fact that the current PotUS is a pedophile rapist. The whole "child sex ring in the halls of power" (not Pizzagate) theory is actually one I can easily get behind.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Jul 10, 2019 15:36:15 GMT -5
What a scumbag. Or a typical republican I guess. Unfortunately, Epstein is connected to politicians of all stripes, notably Bill Clinton, a fact that MAGAtards are using to obfuscate the very real fact that the current PotUS is a pedophile rapist. The whole "child sex ring in the halls of power" (not Pizzagate) theory is actually one I can easily get behind. Oh, I know, but Alex Acosta is at fault here for his admitted double standard of justice.
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