US and NA Politics (General)

[Emblematic Wolfblade]

Oh, and another important piece of info from the conclusion:

Second, cell phone coverage should similarly have an effect on other forms of collective action, such as nonviolent protests. We do present some auxiliary evidence on the link between cell phone coverage and protest behavior using aggregate data (SCAD), but more research is warranted. The marginal benefits of modern communication technology likely varies across violent and nonviolent activities, which could lead to important substitution effects

The more I read of the conclusion, the more I question if you actually read that source baron.

[dusa]

Aug 8, 2019 6:39:48 GMT -5 adurot said:

Aug 8, 2019 5:19:32 GMT -5 dusa said:

Man body slams 13 year old to the floor and fractures his skull for not removing hat during anthem because “Trump told him to be a patriot”.

Go figure.

Where did you get that quote? None of the articles I’ve seen on that story indicate he ever quoted or cited Drumpf, just that he claimed he had a right to do it because the boy disrespected the anthem.

www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/08/us/national-anthem-boy-assault-montana/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

Lance Jasper, Brockway's attorney said his client has a severe traumatic brain injury and has problems with impulse control. Between that and being a disabled veteran who is "uber patriotic," Jasper said Brockway is influenced by the rhetoric of President Donald Trump.

Referring to times the President has spoken out against athletes and others that kneel or protest during the National Anthem and when he suggested possible jail time or loss of citizenship for burning the American flag, Jasper said, "Curt takes that literally and views the president as the commander in chief and when he sees it happening, he feels he needs to do something about it."
Jasper said Brockway expressed remorse the child was hurt.
"He told me 'I guess I messed up because he got hurt. But I'm a patriot,'" Jasper said.
...
"Curt says he was given an order from commander in chief to make sure people are patriotic," Jasper said.

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Aug 8, 2019 13:06:52 GMT -5 Emblematic Wolfblade said:

The more I read of the conclusion, the more I question if you actually read that source baron.

I read the source, but they're running on an assumption from the get go, that the cell phone is simply a tool for facilitating communication.  Hence why I also linked the sources on how it altered brains. 

And, frankly, guns are limiting the damage they can do.  I dunno how many of you remember 71-72 when the US had far left terrorists, but they did over 2500 bombings in 18 months.  People tend to forget how bad that was.

[Emblematic Wolfblade]

I'm not saying guns are the problem, but the source directly says "cellphones simply enable these rebel groups to better communicate," which is a direct contradiction to your claim. These cellphones weren't radiating people, they aren't saying they started using a cellphone, and BOOM, 2 months later they were a crazy rebel bent on dismantling the government in the most violent way possible. And again, the source goes on to say

Second, cell phone coverage should similarly have an effect on other forms of collective action, such as nonviolent protests. We do present some auxiliary evidence on the link between cell phone coverage and protest behavior using aggregate data (SCAD), but more research is warranted. The marginal benefits of modern communication technology likely varies across violent and nonviolent activities, which could lead to important substitution effects

Suggesting cellphones make it easier to communicate ideas of all kinds, not just violent ones, at a glance.

I think your claim is a stretch at best (especially when we don't know for sure how cellphones affect the brain), just like saying more guns = more overall violence (unless someone can find something supporting that). What we can prove leads to more violence is radical rhetoric or ideology like trump, fox, etc are spewing and pushing.

[Emblematic Wolfblade]

Hey, remember how ISIS is totally defeated? About that.

[dusa]

White Nationalist rally organizer works for State. More career intelligence people getting fired or “resigning” to put the safety of our nation in the hands of Trump loyalists. Those are the same guys that have ignored any push towards focusing on domestic nationalist terror threats.

[mikosann]

Aug 8, 2019 17:09:00 GMT -5 @baroniveagh said:

Aug 8, 2019 13:06:52 GMT -5 Emblematic Wolfblade said:

The more I read of the conclusion, the more I question if you actually read that source baron.

I read the source, but they're running on an assumption from the get go, that the cell phone is simply a tool for facilitating communication.  Hence why I also linked the sources on how it altered brains. 

And, frankly, guns are limiting the damage they can do.  I dunno how many of you remember 71-72 when the US had far left terrorists, but they did over 2500 bombings in 18 months.  People tend to forget how bad that was.

Uhhhh, the deadliest one killed four people, kinda weird to use it to say guns are limiting the damage when 30 plus just died from guns and we only need go back less than a week to remember that shit

time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/

[Disciple of Fate]

Trying to find any number comes to 184 deaths over 2500 bombings, that does not sound that spectacular violence wise when one man with a gun can manage to kill 50 people nowadays.

[Disciple of Fate]

Aug 8, 2019 21:21:16 GMT -5 dusa said:

White Nationalist rally organizer works for State. More career intelligence people getting fired or “resigning” to put the safety of our nation in the hands of Trump loyalists. Those are the same guys that have ignored any push towards focusing on domestic nationalist terror threats.

Can't have all these pesky experts harassing his base now!

[semipotentwalrus]

So you're telling me even the "Deep State" BS was projection?

[Disciple of Fate]

So Walmart is finally taking decisive action, removing video game ads and demo consoles. Don't worry, nothing will be done about Walmart selling guns.

According to the memo, Walmart stores were told:

Turn off or unplug any video game consoles that show a demo of violent games, specifically PlayStation and Xbox units
Cancel any events promoting combat-style or third-person shooter games that may be scheduled in Electronics
Verify that no movies depicting violence are playing in Electronics
Turn off any hunting season videos that may be playing in Sporting Goods, and remove any monitors or displays that show the videos
Check all signing throughout the store and remove any referencing combat or third-person shooter video games.

www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/09/walmart-tells-workers-take-down-video-game-ads-demo-consoles-stores/

You can't make this shit up. Is the US LARPing their own version of Black Mirror for our amusement? If you follow the link then it turns out Walmart isn't the only company turning on video games.

[Least censored on the planet!]

Aug 6, 2019 0:33:13 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

seeing as the vas majority is right wing violence or jihadist violence.

So right-wing violence or right-wing violence.

Aug 7, 2019 9:29:18 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

But Baron set out to prove its NOT guns, while this circles back to guns being the unique problem. There has to be a problem, unique to America, that guns have no effect on, to be able to make the case that guns aren't the inherently problematic factor to any regular problem you can point out.

To be fair, isn't the healthcare system in the US also uniquely shitty? What kind of dumb fuck would link health insurance to employment status? Just how stupid is that?

Aug 6, 2019 17:34:17 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

I believe that if you don’t incite (the legal definition) violence against a group, your criticism of the activities of that group (such as illegal immigrants), cannot be held morally responsible in any way for violence against that group. (Deliberate slander or libel might be a different story.) Even if that rhetoric is vigorous and hyperbolic, such as terminologies that is not the norm (e.g. “invasion”), I can’t say the rhetoric is morally responsible for a shooting.

Dude, that's incredibly myopic.
Remember remember:
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[Disciple of Fate]

Aug 9, 2019 11:09:26 GMT -5 Least censored on the planet! said:

Aug 6, 2019 0:33:13 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

seeing as the vas majority is right wing violence or jihadist violence.

So right-wing violence or right-wing violence.

Aug 7, 2019 9:29:18 GMT -5 Disciple of Fate said:

But Baron set out to prove its NOT guns, while this circles back to guns being the unique problem. There has to be a problem, unique to America, that guns have no effect on, to be able to make the case that guns aren't the inherently problematic factor to any regular problem you can point out.

To be fair, isn't the healthcare system in the US also uniquely shitty? What kind of dumb fuck would link health insurance to employment status? Just how stupid is that?

Yes both forms are right wing, but its divided into two categories because its 'convenient'. To be fair though, their are more involved studies that also divide up right wing terrorism into white supremacy, anti government etc.

I have no clue why many people just accept healthcare being tied to your job. Its just hard to comprehend that a wealthy country is ok with what amounts to letting poor people die. Just today Lindsey Graham again promised that if Trump and Repubs win they will kill the ACA.

[tannhauser42]

And now we're back to not being able to enjoy Alaskan salmon in a few years. Because a bit of easy-to-get copper and/or gold right now is more important than being able to get good salmon for decades.

www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/09/us/epa-alaska-pebble-mine-salmon-invs/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

[dusa]

I’m sure it’s a total coincidence, but the whole Scar speech in the new Lion King just felt very Trumpian and the hunt was just a metaphor for capitalism.