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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 12, 2019 16:57:45 GMT -5
So I guess the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a grandpa with a turban, eh?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 12, 2019 17:03:58 GMT -5
TBH, I still want to hear why cellphones are the problem. Every country has them, but only the US has this amount of mass shootings
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 12, 2019 17:23:06 GMT -5
If as Baron said in his first post that started this cellphone tangent that the (use? network? signal radiation?) could be linked to increased impulsivity, depression/suicidal ideation, and reduced inhibition. If this is true, the mass gun culture/fetishization in the US vs elsewhere would explain the mass shootings.
Well, that and the fucking sea of guns the US is awash in. Cell phones *might* be linked to increased propensity for violence, but gun culture is absolutely the reason there is an order of magnitude more mass shootings in the US.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 12, 2019 17:24:36 GMT -5
I mean, then we'd see violent tendencies and rates similar to the US's in other countries with high cellphone usage, but we really don't.
Honestly, blaming cellphones seems like the same thing as blaming video games.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 12, 2019 17:29:32 GMT -5
I mean, then we'd see violent tendencies and rates similar to the US's in other countries with high cellphone usage, but we really don't. Honestly, blaming cellphones seems like the same thing as blaming video games. Well yeah, but violent tendencies without guns leads to angry words and a few punches thrown, not a shootout and another recorded statistic. It's entirely possible that cell phone towers are the new leaded gasoline. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 12, 2019 17:51:41 GMT -5
I mean, then we'd see violent tendencies and rates similar to the US's in other countries with high cellphone usage, but we really don't. Honestly, blaming cellphones seems like the same thing as blaming video games. Well yeah, but violent tendencies without guns leads to angry words and a few punches thrown, not a shootout and another recorded statistic. It's entirely possible that cell phone towers are the new leaded gasoline. Possibly, but until that's proven we shouldn't lay the blame at its feet, especially when we know for sure other things that cause violence (i.e. extreme rhetoric) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 18:12:30 GMT -5
If as Baron said in his first post that started this cellphone tangent that the (use? network? signal radiation?) could be linked to increased impulsivity, depression/suicidal ideation, and reduced inhibition. If this is true, the mass gun culture/fetishization in the US vs elsewhere would explain the mass shootings. Well, that and the fucking sea of guns the US is awash in. Cell phones *might* be linked to increased propensity for violence, but gun culture is absolutely the reason there is an order of magnitude more mass shootings in the US.
There's actually even question about if there actually is or not.
The methodology in every single study and tabulation is fucked, since no one seems to agree what constitutes a 'mass shooting'. Even the FBI crime statistics are fucked, as the local police department decides what to report it as, if they report it at all.
Using mass shootings as an example, depending on definition, we get WILDLY differing results. For Trump's presidency as a whole, we've seen numbers as low as 12, or as high as 850, for a total number of mass shootings. Defensive shootings are the same way, as most police departments don't report them at all to the FBI. So that 350 or so of them I think it was last year? Who the fuck knows how many there actually was.
Frankly, we can never make an informed decision on this as long as the data is THIS bad.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 12, 2019 18:18:51 GMT -5
Maybe cell phone brain is the reason demented right wing rhetoric is on the rise?
If people weren't so depressed/angry, then the sociopaths that are stoking this violence wouldn't have the audience to commit such atrocities?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 12, 2019 19:04:19 GMT -5
If as Baron said in his first post that started this cellphone tangent that the (use? network? signal radiation?) could be linked to increased impulsivity, depression/suicidal ideation, and reduced inhibition. If this is true, the mass gun culture/fetishization in the US vs elsewhere would explain the mass shootings. Well, that and the fucking sea of guns the US is awash in. Cell phones *might* be linked to increased propensity for violence, but gun culture is absolutely the reason there is an order of magnitude more mass shootings in the US. There's actually even question about if there actually is or not. The methodology in every single study and tabulation is fucked, since no one seems to agree what constitutes a 'mass shooting'. Even the FBI crime statistics are fucked, as the local police department decides what to report it as, if they report it at all. Using mass shootings as an example, depending on definition, we get WILDLY differing results. For Trump's presidency as a whole, we've seen numbers as low as 12, or as high as 850, for a total number of mass shootings. Defensive shootings are the same way, as most police departments don't report them at all to the FBI. So that 350 or so of them I think it was last year? Who the fuck knows how many there actually was. Frankly, we can never make an informed decision on this as long as the data is THIS bad.
Correction, we can't make an informed decision regarding cellphones. We can absolutely look at what's inspiring these mass shootings and go from there. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 12, 2019 20:42:10 GMT -5
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Post by Hordini on Aug 12, 2019 20:52:57 GMT -5
If as Baron said in his first post that started this cellphone tangent that the (use? network? signal radiation?) could be linked to increased impulsivity, depression/suicidal ideation, and reduced inhibition. If this is true, the mass gun culture/fetishization in the US vs elsewhere would explain the mass shootings. Well, that and the fucking sea of guns the US is awash in. Cell phones *might* be linked to increased propensity for violence, but gun culture is absolutely the reason there is an order of magnitude more mass shootings in the US. What I'm curious about is that the US has always had tons of guns in private hands. Supposedly, mass shootings (which have various definitions, I know) have been increasing in frequency. But the US has always had tons of guns and if anything, there are fewer gun owners now than there were in the past (the individual owners just tend to own more guns). That would seem to conflict somewhat with the idea that the US being awash in guns is the reason for the increase in shootings. Unless there were always tons of mass shootings pre-Columbine or pre-University of Texas and just didn't get the coverage provided by the current 24 hour news cycle. If that was the case though, I would think that would be something that would get brought up all the time to lend support to the idea that the US having lots of guns is what is causing the violence. |
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Post by adurot on Aug 12, 2019 21:36:17 GMT -5
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 12, 2019 22:01:42 GMT -5
Not sure TBH
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 13, 2019 11:04:40 GMT -5
If as Baron said in his first post that started this cellphone tangent that the (use? network? signal radiation?) could be linked to increased impulsivity, depression/suicidal ideation, and reduced inhibition. If this is true, the mass gun culture/fetishization in the US vs elsewhere would explain the mass shootings. Well, that and the fucking sea of guns the US is awash in. Cell phones *might* be linked to increased propensity for violence, but gun culture is absolutely the reason there is an order of magnitude more mass shootings in the US. What I'm curious about is that the US has always had tons of guns in private hands. Supposedly, mass shootings (which have various definitions, I know) have been increasing in frequency. But the US has always had tons of guns and if anything, there are fewer gun owners now than there were in the past (the individual owners just tend to own more guns). That would seem to conflict somewhat with the idea that the US being awash in guns is the reason for the increase in shootings. Unless there were always tons of mass shootings pre-Columbine or pre-University of Texas and just didn't get the coverage provided by the current 24 hour news cycle. If that was the case though, I would think that would be something that would get brought up all the time to lend support to the idea that the US having lots of guns is what is causing the violence. The guns aren't the *reason*. They are the force multiplier. A disaffected angry young european kid decides to go postal with a knife, a disaffected American kid goes postal with a gun. "2 stabbed, both survive" is a lot less compelling headline than "20 shot, 18 killed" The actual reason certain kids snap and go off the deep end? That's the million dollar question. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 13, 2019 12:18:17 GMT -5
So far today the Trump admin has flipped off endangered animals and added "P.S. no poor people" to the Statue of Liberty. Oh and still losing to China in that pesky trade war, but we don't talk about that.
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