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Post by adurot on Aug 14, 2019 18:35:09 GMT -5
Honestly? That’s fairly tame for Steve King quotables.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 14, 2019 18:39:48 GMT -5
He's entirely correct, it's just completely morally abhorrent to use it as an attack on abortions.
Slavery also got us to where we are today; should it be legal?
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Post by adurot on Aug 14, 2019 20:27:17 GMT -5
Oh please, next you’re going to say that conquering new lands and forcing out the native population under the claim of divine right should also be frowned upon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 18:45:36 GMT -5
And once again, if cellphones are the problem, why don't we see the same levels of violence elsewhere?
WE DO. But people will stand there and argue that terrorism and rioting aren't violence.
Since no one can even agree what Constitutes a 'mass shooting' it's hard to prove it, since it means that it's impossible to say how many there are or what caused them. El Paso was right wing, Dayton was Left Wing, and garlic fair was on a mission to troll both with human lives. While I agree that the rhetoric is NOT helping, the violence is not unique to either.
And, frankly, Phili was another glaring example of how gun laws just don't work.
Edit: JESUS Jumped Up Christ.
Trump and his idiots are squawking they want to annex Greenland. Or purchase it. They're not sure.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 15, 2019 19:51:18 GMT -5
Edit: JESUS Jumped Up Christ. Trump and his idiots are squawking they want to annex Greenland. Or purchase it. They're not sure. My first reaction to Trump wanting to purchase Greenland might be eye-rolling amusement, it may not be an impulsive I-want-the-bright-shiny-object moment. Quite likely he (or the powers that be with his ear) is thinking about the competition with Russia and China for control of the natural resources in the Arctic. He's meeting with Denmark leaders next month... so, who the fuck knows? |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 15, 2019 20:13:38 GMT -5
And once again, if cellphones are the problem, why don't we see the same levels of violence elsewhere? WE DO. But people will stand there and argue that terrorism and rioting aren't violence.
Since no one can even agree what Constitutes a 'mass shooting' it's hard to prove it, since it means that it's impossible to say how many there are or what caused them. El Paso was right wing, Dayton was Left Wing, and garlic fair was on a mission to troll both with human lives. While I agree that the rhetoric is NOT helping, the violence is not unique to either. And, frankly, Phili was another glaring example of how gun laws just don't work. 1. We don't see violence at the same level in other countries unless you want to point to war-torn countries, which have problems beyond cellphones making the people violent. Your source even explains this and points to another study that found in Iraq that cellphones lowered violence, and how the only reason violence was increasing in their study was because they were used to communicate, and the government didn't have anything in place to monitor the communications like Iraq did. Cellphones are no more the problem than video games. What we can say has inspired shootings is rightwing rhetoric about "invasions" or "the other," and we know because that's directly coming from the shooters, or bombers, or whatever you want to call the domestic terrorists. 2. Are you saying both the dayton shooter and the el paso shooter are both politically motivated? Because last I checked the dayton shooter was not politically motivated. That's a false dichotomy there, as pointed out numerous times before. Basically, what I'm saying is you cannot prove cellphones are the issue. It's the exact same thing as blaming video games, or rap, or metal, or rock and roll, or jazz, or DnD and so on. Just because we don't know for sure how cellphones interact with the brain doesn't mean they're responsible. But I'm always open to new studies showing otherwise instead of cop out excuses to dismiss your own sources. (Also note, I never mentioned gun control laws. Unless something incredibly radical is done, gun control is basically a myth in the US) |
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Post by steelmage99 on Aug 15, 2019 21:49:18 GMT -5
Edit: JESUS Jumped Up Christ. Trump and his idiots are squawking they want to annex Greenland. Or purchase it. They're not sure. My first reaction to Trump wanting to purchase Greenland might be eye-rolling amusement, it may not be an impulsive I-want-the-bright-shiny-object moment. Quite likely he (or the powers that be with his ear) is thinking about the competition with Russia and China for control of the natural resources in the Arctic. He's meeting with Denmark leaders next month... so, who the fuck knows? He can go fuck himself......or as we say here in Denmark; "Han kan kneppe sig selv". |
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 16, 2019 5:43:59 GMT -5
I'll add in a "dra åt helvete" on behalf of my felllow Scandinavians for good measure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 7:48:40 GMT -5
1. We don't see violence at the same level in other countries unless you want to point to war-torn countries, which have problems beyond cellphones making the people violent. Yes we do. You seem to think that we're seeing a lot of violence, but in reality it's just the media amplifying it. Excluding war zones, in sheer numbers we're actually number 7, but per capita we're barely in the top 100. Putting us actually rather close to the middle of the pack. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 16, 2019 8:20:24 GMT -5
My first reaction to Trump wanting to purchase Greenland might be eye-rolling amusement, it may not be an impulsive I-want-the-bright-shiny-object moment. Quite likely he (or the powers that be with his ear) is thinking about the competition with Russia and China for control of the natural resources in the Arctic. He's meeting with Denmark leaders next month... so, who the fuck knows? He can go fuck himself......or as we say here in Denmark; "Han kan kneppe sig selv". Ok. War it is.  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Joking. |
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 16, 2019 8:21:28 GMT -5
1. We don't see violence at the same level in other countries unless you want to point to war-torn countries, which have problems beyond cellphones making the people violent. Yes we do. You seem to think that we're seeing a lot of violence, but in reality it's just the media amplifying it. Excluding war zones, in sheer numbers we're actually number 7, but per capita we're barely in the top 100. Putting us actually rather close to the middle of the pack. There was a study (I think WSJ if you can believe that) that stated that if you remove the top 10 cities or so in the US, the rest of the US is at or below other countries. (we're a big country). EDIT: Cant find it at the moment, but I just remembered it's better to say counties, instead of cities. Or, if you really want to get technical technical, most of the violence occurs in very local "pocket" areas of those counties/cities... Saw this linky that sorta highlights that cities is where it mostly happens. www.citylab.com/equity/2013/01/gun-violence-us-cities-compared-deadliest-nations-world/4412/Here's a recent "murder map" of St. Louis: www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/st-louis-area-homicide-map/html_b64e4680-7a4b-56e9-a941-620f6d0d2e87.htmlYou'll see most of it located in North St. Louis City, South St. Louis City and East St. Louis in Illinois (essentially along the river). |
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Post by steelmage99 on Aug 16, 2019 9:11:17 GMT -5
Yes we do. You seem to think that we're seeing a lot of violence, but in reality it's just the media amplifying it. Excluding war zones, in sheer numbers we're actually number 7, but per capita we're barely in the top 100. Putting us actually rather close to the middle of the pack. There was a study (I think WSJ if you can believe that) that stated that if you remove the top 10 cities or so in the US, the rest of the US is at or below other countries. (we're a big country). EDIT: Cant find it at the moment, but I just remembered it's better to say counties, instead of cities. Or, if you really want to get technical technical, most of the violence occurs in very local "pocket" areas of those counties/cities... Saw this linky that sorta highlights that cities is where it mostly happens. www.citylab.com/equity/2013/01/gun-violence-us-cities-compared-deadliest-nations-world/4412/Here's a recent "murder map" of St. Louis: www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/st-louis-area-homicide-map/html_b64e4680-7a4b-56e9-a941-620f6d0d2e87.htmlYou'll see most of it located in North St. Louis City, South St. Louis City and East St. Louis in Illinois (essentially along the river). "If we exclude the places where most people live and therefore most crimes happen (cities/certain counties), what is left (rural areas) really doesn't have a lot of crime." I bet the crime statistics of ANY country drops sharply, if you exclude the 10 or so biggest cities. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 9:26:49 GMT -5
"If we exclude the places where most people live and therefore most crimes happen (cities/certain counties), what is left (rural areas) really doesn't have a lot of crime." I bet the crime statistics of ANY country drops sharply, if you exclude the 10 or so biggest cities.
For volume, yes, but per capita, no. For a few years, for example, Youngstown, Ohio beat out places like Chicago for murders per capita (Lengthy mob war between Detroit and Pittsburgh).
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Post by dusa on Aug 16, 2019 10:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 16, 2019 11:17:47 GMT -5
If we accept the cell phone theory as true, then the violence would manifest as punch ups in the civilized world, (not usually reported) and as shootings (much more likely to be reported) in the US. Although, if we're going down this cell phone rabbit hole, I'd be more inclined to chalk up the rise of right wing authoritarianism to cell radiation induced retardation than random violence (which overall is trending down. High profile, scary but statistically irrelevant public shootings aside, this is the safest time to be alive since we first figured out how to write shit down.) Edit: Jeebus. Some kid has brain damage because the president has tiny penis/daddy please love me issues and some people are too hopped up on toxic anger to understand that. |
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