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Aug 14, 2020 16:38:34 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

Aug 14, 2020 16:25:59 GMT -5 semipotentwalrus said:

I'd also still like an answer to what the equivalent domestic terror group to Qanon is in the Democratic party.

Antifa
Democratic Party

So you are saying that the entire democratic party is on the same level as Qanon. Well okay that's… a possible opinion I guess? I mean, some people actually believe Qanon stuff, so it seems pretty obviously that even the craziest opinions have people genuinely believing in them, so…

Also why are you saying that “everything [AOC] want's to do is numb fuckingly crazy and no where near a "teapary variant"”? Can you share something that she wants to do that is genuinely crazy, rather than just, you know, actually left-wing?

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Aug 14, 2020 13:02:09 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

I consider most of them on that level, as they've all bought, hook-line-sinker of the Russian Collusion Hoax.  Particularly, Maxine Waters and Rashid Talibs are pieces of work.  

But, hey... we'll continue to disagree on this point I'm sure. 

In any event, I don't support that AQnon supporter so why are you so animated about it with me?

And Disciple, I'm purposely ignoring PedoAnalLover because he's such a dickless motherfucker.  So, if you're repeating a question from him to get me to answer, I may not respond to you.  That's goes for everyone else.

I see me not being around brought Whemb back from the dead and spewing bullshit.  Ok, let me take the time to explain how all of you are wrong, particularly Whemb, and then we can get back on with our lives.

QAnon is not a terror organization  (Russian PsyOps, possibly, but not terror) You're thinking of any number of far right groups such as atomwaffen though Patriot Prayer and The Three Percenters have been flirting with it during the riots.  We have a surprising number of them in jail for attempting to use the riots to commit crimes ranging from arson to mass murder.

Antifa barely qualifies as a group.  And, despite some overlap, they are distinct from BLM. 

Left Wing terror, in the US, has been dead since about 1985 with the break up of UFF and M19CO.  FARC were really the last holdouts in the Americas for that sort of thing.

So, sorry, Whemb, there's no actual Left Wing Terror group for you to point your finger at, though I'm sure someone will eventually correct that.

[Emblematic Wolfblade]

Baron, you may have missed it, but the FBI labelled fringe conspiracy theories as a domestic terror threat, specifically mentioning Qanon back in May of 2019.

[Disciple of Fate]

To be clear, the discussion started as accusing Greene of supporting/being part of a movement that is fostering domestic terrorism, not being one currently. Afterwards it was used as a convenient shorthand, instead of writing the technically correct definition over and over. At the point it will actually happen, the distinction becomes slim indeed, of course the whole Antifa rant by the Trump government has shown us you can't really declare such groups as terrorists officially.

[futurewarcultist]

If you don’t vote that bastard Trump out in November it’ll be the beginning of the end of the USA. I can’t believe the level of support he’s still getting. It’s sickening.

[whemblycthulhu]

So... anyone watched the DNC convention last night?

Wasn't too shabby. Really run-of-the-mill stuff...

The good stuff won't happen till Friday.

[whemblycthulhu]

Aug 16, 2020 20:02:08 GMT -5 @baroniveagh said:

Aug 14, 2020 13:02:09 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

I consider most of them on that level, as they've all bought, hook-line-sinker of the Russian Collusion Hoax.  Particularly, Maxine Waters and Rashid Talibs are pieces of work.  

But, hey... we'll continue to disagree on this point I'm sure. 

In any event, I don't support that AQnon supporter so why are you so animated about it with me?

And Disciple, I'm purposely ignoring PedoAnalLover because he's such a dickless motherfucker.  So, if you're repeating a question from him to get me to answer, I may not respond to you.  That's goes for everyone else.

I see me not being around brought Whemb back from the dead and spewing bullshit.  Ok, let me take the time to explain how all of you are wrong, particularly Whemb, and then we can get back on with our lives.

QAnon is not a terror organization  (Russian PsyOps, possibly, but not terror)

That's the argument made by many left-leaning folks...and I don't really even understand the full scope of AQnon as I largely tune him/her/them out.

You're thinking of any number of far right groups such as atomwaffen though Patriot Prayer and The Three Percenters have been flirting with it during the riots.  We have a surprising number of them in jail for attempting to use the riots to commit crimes ranging from arson to mass murder.

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Not disputing that other groups, regardless of ideology, are seeing opportunity to create mischief.

Antifa barely qualifies as a group.  And, despite some overlap, they are distinct from BLM. 

Agreed. However, it's both the Antifa and BLM crowd who's doing the rioting/looting these days. They don't get a pass.

Left Wing terror, in the US, has been dead since about 1985 with the break up of UFF and M19CO.  FARC were really the last holdouts in the Americas for that sort of thing.

So, sorry, Whemb, there's no actual Left Wing Terror group for you to point your finger at, though I'm sure someone will eventually correct that.

Burned buildings/looted storefronts/riots was done by which groups?

[Emblematic Wolfblade]

Oh look, Manafort was classified as "a grave counterintelligence threat" according to the recently released Senate Intelligence report which also later concludes that, for the hundredth time, Russian interference both happened in 2016 and is likely to happen again 2020.

(in fact, Trump has already repeated Russian propaganda about Biden)

[dusa]

The GOP is seeing the writing on the wall and trying to distance themselves from Trump to save face.

Always remember when they placed Trump over party and country.

[lonestarr777]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkOLAtehuFI If you can't watch the video it's a good breakdown of Trumps tempertantrum on Twitter over the opening night of the DNC. Trump is essentially showing he's well within his second childhood and coked out of his mind most of the time.

[futurewarcultist]

Aug 18, 2020 14:35:38 GMT -5 dusa said:

The GOP is seeing the writing on the wall and trying to distance themselves from Trump to save face.

Always remember when they placed Trump over party and country.

The republicans have crossed a line you can’t come back from. They need to be destroyed as a political force, permanently.

[carlo87]

Aug 18, 2020 14:03:22 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

Aug 16, 2020 20:02:08 GMT -5 @baroniveagh said:

I see me not being around brought Whemb back from the dead and spewing bullshit.  Ok, let me take the time to explain how all of you are wrong, particularly Whemb, and then we can get back on with our lives.

QAnon is not a terror organization  (Russian PsyOps, possibly, but not terror)

That's the argument made by many left-leaning folks...and I don't really even understand the full scope of AQnon as I largely tune him/her/them out.

You're thinking of any number of far right groups such as atomwaffen though Patriot Prayer and The Three Percenters have been flirting with it during the riots.  We have a surprising number of them in jail for attempting to use the riots to commit crimes ranging from arson to mass murder.

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Not disputing that other groups, regardless of ideology, are seeing opportunity to create mischief.

Antifa barely qualifies as a group.  And, despite some overlap, they are distinct from BLM. 

Agreed. However, it's both the Antifa and BLM crowd who's doing the rioting/looting these days. They don't get a pass.

Left Wing terror, in the US, has been dead since about 1985 with the break up of UFF and M19CO.  FARC were really the last holdouts in the Americas for that sort of thing.

So, sorry, Whemb, there's no actual Left Wing Terror group for you to point your finger at, though I'm sure someone will eventually correct that.

Burned buildings/looted storefronts/riots was done by which groups?


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Are Qanon, Antifa, or BLM really "groups"? I think they all lay in some grey area when you try to define what a "group" is.  If Antifa is not a "group" because it has no leadership and is more akin to a movement, then the same would apply to Qanon, right? (Not going into the politics of any of these groups at the moment). I just find it odd that one group can be called an "organization" when another can be dismissed as not being that. 

I try my hardest to stay away from anything 4chan, 4chan related, or 4chan tangent. This all sounds like coocoo basement dweller bullshit. As annoying as it is though, has Qanon actually hurt anyone yet? 

[laughingman]

Remember the guy who shot up that pizza parlor? That was QAnon. And they certainly have leadership. Q is a real person, somewhere under several layers of anonymity. They're just lying blatantly about, well, everything.

[Emblematic Wolfblade]

Aug 18, 2020 18:06:39 GMT -5 carlo87 said:

Aug 18, 2020 14:03:22 GMT -5 whemblycthulhu said:

That's the argument made by many left-leaning folks...and I don't really even understand the full scope of AQnon as I largely tune him/her/them out.

Not disputing that other groups, regardless of ideology, are seeing opportunity to create mischief.

Antifa barely qualifies as a group.  And, despite some overlap, they are distinct from BLM. 

Agreed. However, it's both the Antifa and BLM crowd who's doing the rioting/looting these days. They don't get a pass.

Left Wing terror, in the US, has been dead since about 1985 with the break up of UFF and M19CO.  FARC were really the last holdouts in the Americas for that sort of thing.

So, sorry, Whemb, there's no actual Left Wing Terror group for you to point your finger at, though I'm sure someone will eventually correct that.

Burned buildings/looted storefronts/riots was done by which groups?
Are Qanon, Antifa, or BLM really "groups"? I think they all lay in some grey area when you try to define what a "group" is.  If Antifa is not a "group" because it has no leadership and is more akin to a movement, then the same would apply to Qanon, right? (Not going into the politics of any of these groups at the moment). I just find it odd that one group can be called an "organization" when another can be dismissed as not being that. 

I try my hardest to stay away from anything 4chan, 4chan related, or 4chan tangent. This all sounds like coocoo basement dweller bullshit. As annoying as it is though, has Qanon actually hurt anyone yet? 

1. The damaged buildings and "rioting" during the protests have been done by neo-nazis. Remember the umbrella man? He was recently revealed to be a neo-nazi.

2. Qanon ABSOLUTELY has clear leadership until antifa or BLM and has led to many extremists shooting places up, i.e. schools or the most famous, the pizza parlor. The "coocoo basement dweller bullshit" as you call it is directly responsible for the majority of right wing terrorism in the last several years which coincidently has also been the source of the majority of domestic terrorism in the US, with some years having right wing terrorism be the ONLY source of domestic terrorism.

3. Again, the vast VAST VAST majority of "rioting/looting" you're parroting from Fox without any effort to fact check the claim, as is usual for you, is being done by organized criminals or neo-nazis. Hell, you even say so up front in your own post then promptly ignore it 2-3 sentences later! Amazing.

[semipotentwalrus]

Aug 18, 2020 17:16:08 GMT -5 futurewarcultist said:

Aug 18, 2020 14:35:38 GMT -5 dusa said:

The GOP is seeing the writing on the wall and trying to distance themselves from Trump to save face.

Always remember when they placed Trump over party and country.

The republicans have crossed a line you can’t come back from. They need to be destroyed as a political force, permanently.

Agreed. They're well beyond the pale at this point. I just don't see how it can be done without triggering, at best, severe civil unrest in the United States.