carlo87
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 20, 2020 2:32:37 GMT -5
So.... What was he supposed to say to that question? That he doesn't want to stop pedophiles and cannibals? What would have been a good way for him to answer without being bated one way or the other? |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 20, 2020 2:38:00 GMT -5
"I'm not involved in a supposed shadow war involving me stopping a global deep state cabal of paedophiles and cannibals. Law enforcement will act accordingly on any such crimes, which are despicable, but this theory is categorically false."
There you go, that took me 10 seconds to think of.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 20, 2020 2:43:17 GMT -5
]Saying that a vast majority of vandalization was caused my the BLM/Antifa crowd does not mean that a vast majority of the BLM/Antifa crowd are vandals. You seem to have a huge problem with reading comprehension, or you just like twisting words. Something tells me it's a little of both. No, I'm just looking at what you're implying... which is that you DESPERATELY want to pretend both sides are equally bad and pretend Republicans aren't encouraging neo-nazis and their ilk. That youtube video you linked to was ridiculously biased. 3 years ago when things happened in Charlottesville this exactly topic was rehashed (cant remember if it was here or dakka) with Trump's full speech being played. In a Press briefing he condemned the violence from both sides, and yes there was violence on both sides. Was it equal? No someone ran their car into a crowd, but as was previously discussed you can't really hold a whole group responsible for one guy's lone actions. In his first speech after it happened (the good people on both sides speech) he denounced the Nazi element and specifically stated that the "good people" he was referring to were not the Neo-Nazis. There were other people simply there to protest removal of Confederate statues (including African American People, which I dare you to call White Supremacists). Even hard-core lefties conceded this point. Hell it's even in the video you posted, around the 3 minute mark. To quote Trump "I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis or the White Nationalists because they should be condemned totally, but you had many people other than Neo Nazis and White Nationalists, okay?" Then carlo, where were these non-neo-nazi people? Everyone there was openly a neo-nazi. Nazi symbols were EVERYWHERE, they all chanted the chants, and they all marched together. Here is another example (~20-30 seconds long) of them shouting out slurs, yelling "Sieg Heil" and calling for a race war. How can any of them be "good people" if they're all the neo-nazis he condemned. Also, the video even addresses your exact defense. It's literally the entire point of the video. Let me repeat some points you ignored. It was ORGANIZED and PROMOTED exclusively by neo-nazis (i.e. Richard Spencer and Jason Kessler primarily organized it). it literally hosted David Duke, Richard Spencer, Jason Kessler, Nathan Damigo, and various Daily Stormer writers like Eric Striker. Oh, and since you're so insistent on looking at trump's words, keep in mind those pictures and videos I showed you at night. Bold/underline mine obviously. Those videos and pictures are from the night before. Those people yelling "Jews will not replace us" are the people he's referring to. Those people yelling "Blood and Soil" are the people he's referring to. So, surely you can find some "good people" if you're so certain they exist because I'm sure not seeing any. Surely you can explain how all of that racism isn't actually racist, but all I'm seeing a basket of deplorables who actively make the US a worse place. (Oh, and the "I have a black friend" defense isn't a good defense and, ironically, reeks of racism.) Also, I'm still waiting on sources to prove any of your points of the claims you've made, i.e. the BLM looting thing. Why are you so damn cagey on this? |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 20, 2020 3:10:53 GMT -5
Even if Trump was correct in his adressal, calling those good people is still bad. They're not good people, they're misguided and society failed them. They are the victims (or willing adherents) of historical revisionism and the ideological push to glorify the defense of slavery and acceptance of segregation. They're sad people, who either don't know any better or don't want to.
A president should not stand in defence of people supporting damaging historical revisionism in the name of a repulsive cause. Which is what those statues are.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Aug 20, 2020 5:09:56 GMT -5
You aren't gonna reach him, and you aren't gonna get a satisfying answer Wolfblade, Disciple. Carlos a piece of shit wanna be tough guy who just needs his fucking teeth kicked in. Fingers crossed when it comes down to it, his fascist buddies eat him alive.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 20, 2020 8:12:35 GMT -5
Good thing the Russia collusion thing is a hoax and conspiracy theory, otherwise the conclusions of the (bipartisan) senate intelligence committee that Manafort worked with a Russian spy would've looked real bad. Oh,and on the whole rioting: this is, inevitably, what happens when people have had enough, and supporters of the status quo always clutch their pearls in outrage that someone dare resist their Perfectly Benevolent System (TM). A high school student could've told you that. Your side chose to respond to protests against police violence by loudly proclaiming that wasn't true while purposely targeting members of the press and ramping up the police violence a few notches. In 1931, the Swedish army (bolstering local police) opened fire on a demonstration protesting in support of a strike in a local paper mill, killing five people. The event led to a total and complete ban on using the Armed Forces for domestic law enforcement. There's still people who argue that the protesters had it coming, and they're invariably far right. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Republican party isn't Hitler, it's von Papen. They are so scared and blind that they'd rather ally with a monster that they think they can control than lose power. McCarthy got kicked to the curb by the Republicans, but he was just a symptom. The fear of socialism mirrors the ridiculous fear of crypto-catholics/protestants/calvinists in Europe during the Renaissance and early modern era. Spoiler alert: demagogues aren't controllable. Edit: English Wikipedia actually has a page on the Ådalen shootings. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85dalen_shootingsThe reality of it is that both sides have a monster they think they can control. I just wish there was a viable third option instead of trying to determine who will fuck us the least. As Horrible a movie as Kevin Costner's "The Postman" was, I would relish a new government that had no political parties. The reality is that this argument is full of shit. There's plenty of democratic states that are to the left of the US politically. There's not a whole lot, if any, that are further right. You're standing on the side of a cliff and musing that you've nowhere to go because there's another cliff two miles in the opposite direction from the cliff you're at. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 20, 2020 9:13:14 GMT -5
For the political spectrum people like AOC and Sanders are just left wing in Europe. While their ideas are not always agreeable, they aren't exactly outlandish. If Americans could live in Europe for a year and experience what its like, they would probably realize its not worse here because of the lefties (the normal right wings are Democrats in the US). Yeah you might pay more in taxes, but the social security net is bigger, healthcare is good and the quality of life is roughly similar.
But what the US needs to do is dump its FPTP system, have multiple parties in government be possible, coalition governments. Nobody might be happy, but at least you get a majority consensus were everyone gets something.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Aug 20, 2020 14:44:38 GMT -5
So true. Bernie Sanders is like, New Labour at best by our standards. He’s painted as this big time radical when in truth he’s just a normal social democrat.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 20, 2020 16:03:29 GMT -5
Bernie is only considered a "radical leftist" because the Us is roughly 50-60 years behind every other first world country. While everyone else has decided universal healthcare (among other things) is a basic human right, the US is still arguing about having a lawyer during medical bankruptcy (among other things).
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 20, 2020 16:42:37 GMT -5
Bannon's been arrested on fraud charges. That completes the set. Every single one of Trump's 2016 campaign managers have now been charged with serious crimes.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 20, 2020 16:56:42 GMT -5
The specifics behind the fraud charge are hilarious. He must have been really desperate to participate in that obvious scam.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 20, 2020 16:58:40 GMT -5
Also, while we have our resident right-wingers here, can we get an explanation of why the Postmaster General is dismantling the USPS' ability to do its job that isn't "election shenanigans"?
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Post by tannhauser42 on Aug 20, 2020 20:42:09 GMT -5
The USPS has been circling the drain for years now. This was just the last straw that finally got everyone's attention. It's not hard to fix the USPS, but the hard part is to keep the Republicans from sabotaging it like they always do with everything else.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Aug 21, 2020 4:46:14 GMT -5
The reality of it is that both sides have a monster they think they can control. Every side, except the left side which doesn't have any kind of monster. At worst it has an angry small animal that is toothless and powerless  . This means that a hypothetical Leroy Jones, New Black Panther member, out to kill him some Whities and cops, who always votes Democrat strait ticket would be classified as "rightwing". Yeah let's not pretend that black people commit racially motivated murder against white people (or gay murdering straights, or trans murdering cis, or…) for it to significantly alter the data  . So.... What was he supposed to say to that question? That he doesn't want to stop pedophiles and cannibals? He was supposed to say that there is no secret cult of pedophile and cannibals you dumbell! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 5:16:10 GMT -5
That being said, you trying to pass off all the rioting on neo-nazis if fucking idiotic. I'm not saying that some of it wasn't, but the VAST majority of it was by BLM/Antifa crowd. They have been accredited with over 30 deaths in the last 6 months, so let's not pretend their hands are totally clean. Actually the majority of the ones we have under arrest for violent crimes and arson actually are far right, not BLM/ANTIFA. The Nashville Courthouse Fire, the attempted bombings in Nevada, the murders of the police officers and federal agents in California, etc. |
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