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Post by dabbler on Aug 27, 2020 16:05:12 GMT -5
Was the person he killed armed? No, though one of the people he wounded was.
The thing I have a hard time figuring out is that just by carrying that firearm, he was committing a Class A Misdemeanor in Wisconsin. Using it to shoot anyone, as Wisconsin has no 'stand your ground' law, nor permits use of lethal force in defense of property, makes it a felony.
And yet idiots are defending this.
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 27, 2020 16:10:15 GMT -5
Was the person he killed armed?
The thing I have a hard time figuring out is that just by carrying that firearm, he was committing a Class A Misdemeanor in Wisconsin. Using it to shoot anyone, as Wisconsin has no 'stand your ground' law, nor permits use of lethal force in defense of property, makes it a felony.
And yet idiots are defending this.
16-18 year-olds are specifically permitted in Wisconsin to open carry long guns. You don't need a Stand Your Ground law for a strait-up self defense, specifically when he retreated before firing and/or had a legitimate fear for his safety. |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 27, 2020 16:13:47 GMT -5
IDK what to think about this situation, and we need more facts. Saying he traveled in from another state is technically correct, but also a bit misleading. He drove 20 miles. He was not the only person armed (on either side). Video does show him being chased, and someone else firing the first shot. Self defense or not he has a decent argument for it at any trial. It's amazing how consistently you spout the right's propaganda without doing even a little basic fact-checking or searching... which you ironically complain about. The only excuse for not having the facts around the situation is if you purposefully didn't want them. Once again it seems like you either can't read, or want to twist the situation. I said I wanted MORE facts. Amazingly there might be more info out there than what we know about in the first 48 hours. But, by your logic, fuck it, we all ready know all there is to know. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 27, 2020 16:27:59 GMT -5
It's amazing how consistently you spout the right's propaganda without doing even a little basic fact-checking or searching... which you ironically complain about. The only excuse for not having the facts around the situation is if you purposefully didn't want them. Once again it seems like you either can't read, or want to twist the situation. I said I wanted MORE facts. Amazingly there might be more info out there than what we know about in the first 48 hours. But, by your logic, fuck it, we all ready know all there is to know. No, you're using that as an excuse to defend the racist asshole shooter and not condemn him and misrepresent what happened. He was only "attacked" by the mob after he killed someone i.e. We have video evidence which you want to ignore or pretend that it doesn't show the full story and talk in extreme generalities. Yes, "both sides were armed" is true, but he shot first. But that's what we expect of you. You've bent over backwards to defend trumptards every other time after all. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 16:37:50 GMT -5
16-18 year-olds are specifically permitted in Wisconsin to open carry long guns. You don't need a Stand Your Ground law for a strait-up self defense, specifically when he retreated before firing and/or had a legitimate fear for his safety. Actually they're not. The exemption for 16-18 yer olds has specific limits. Since I don't see his parents or his instructor there with him, I'd say they do not apply, and the 18 year old requirement to posess a firearm, or to openly carry one, applies.
Two, Wisconsin has very strict laws on what constitutes self defense. Due to the fact that he's committing a crime, there is no such thing as self defense, unless he can prove to a court that he had NO OTHER CHOICE but to kill people. I suspect, in the light of the videos, that will be a tough sell.
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 27, 2020 16:50:45 GMT -5
16-18 year-olds are specifically permitted in Wisconsin to open carry long guns. You don't need a Stand Your Ground law for a strait-up self defense, specifically when he retreated before firing and/or had a legitimate fear for his safety. Actually they're not. The exemption for 16-18 yer olds has specific limits. Since I don't see his parents or his instructor there with him, I'd say they do not apply, and the 18 year old requirement to posess a firearm, or to openly carry one, applies.
Two, Wisconsin has very strict laws on what constitutes self defense. Due to the fact that he's committing a crime, there is no such thing as self defense, unless he can prove to a court that he had NO OTHER CHOICE but to kill people. I suspect, in the light of the videos, that will be a tough sell.
Wisconsin mentor-mentee provision applies to those under the age of 12. dnr.wisconsin.gov/Education/OutdoorSkills/mentor |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 16:52:41 GMT -5
You may wish to read the next sentence after that. "Any other person who has not completed a required hunter education course, and is not exempt from the hunter education requirement." |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 27, 2020 21:35:31 GMT -5
You may wish to read the next sentence after that. "Any other person who has not completed a required hunter education course, and is not exempt from the hunter education requirement." So, if this person did complete a hunter education course he would not fall under the category of "mentee", would not need a "mentor", and could carry, right? Now, I don't know if he did or didn't. However, I do know that it's common for small towns in the Midwest have this course as part of their Physical Education department curriculum in the Freshman/Sophomore year. |
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Post by lonestarr777 on Aug 27, 2020 21:49:13 GMT -5
Man Carlo, you just keep digging huh? No such thing as rockbottom for you. Fucking piece of human trash.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 27, 2020 21:52:42 GMT -5
You may wish to read the next sentence after that. "Any other person who has not completed a required hunter education course, and is not exempt from the hunter education requirement." So, if this person did complete a hunter education course he would not fall under the category of "mentee", would not need a "mentor", and could carry, right? Now, I don't know if he did or didn't. However, I do know that it's common for small towns in the Midwest have this course as part of their Physical Education department curriculum in the Freshman/Sophomore year. No. He's still under 18. That requirement to open carry doesn't get waived even if he completes the required course to be a hunter mentor... which also requires you to be 18 or older. And no reply to my previous post? I guess it is hard to refute the truth I suppose. You seem really invested in this not being the fault of another trumptard with a gun. Oh, and I noticed you are trying to avoid commenting on baron's previous comment on your bullshit about neo-nazis not being the cause of most of the rioting/damage too: That being said, you trying to pass off all the rioting on neo-nazis if fucking idiotic. I'm not saying that some of it wasn't, but the VAST majority of it was by BLM/Antifa crowd. They have been accredited with over 30 deaths in the last 6 months, so let's not pretend their hands are totally clean. Actually the majority of the ones we have under arrest for violent crimes and arson actually are far right, not BLM/ANTIFA. The Nashville Courthouse Fire, the attempted bombings in Nevada, the murders of the police officers and federal agents in California, etc. I guess my post calling you a coward was spot on. |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 0:15:21 GMT -5
So, if this person did complete a hunter education course he would not fall under the category of "mentee", would not need a "mentor", and could carry, right? Now, I don't know if he did or didn't. However, I do know that it's common for small towns in the Midwest have this course as part of their Physical Education department curriculum in the Freshman/Sophomore year. No. He's still under 18. That requirement to open carry doesn't get waived even if he completes the required course to be a hunter mentor... which also requires you to be 18 or older. I think this about confirms it. You have absolutely ZERO reading comprehension. There is no course to be a Hunter Mentor, just a general hunter education course. You can be a non-mentee, while still not being a mentor. Only being a mentor requires you to be over 18. So, unless you think he was looking after someone else that was 12-17 you are an idiot. |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 0:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 1:00:52 GMT -5
There are now at least 4 video angles of the second part of this shooting. With the last person to be shot (the one that got shot in the elbow) pulling his pistol on Rittenhouse while he was sitting in the street. This aspect is pretty well covered.
What I want to know more about is what happened about 2 minutes prior to this. The original shooting at the used car lot BEFORE this. What happened? Who instigated? If Rittenhouse full-on shot someone for vandalizing a car, then yeah that's murder. I doubt it will be that clear cut though.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 28, 2020 1:07:01 GMT -5
No. He's still under 18. That requirement to open carry doesn't get waived even if he completes the required course to be a hunter mentor... which also requires you to be 18 or older. I think this about confirms it. You have absolutely ZERO reading comprehension. There is no course to be a Hunter Mentor, just a general hunter education course. You can be a non-mentee, while still not being a mentor. Only being a mentor requires you to be over 18. So, unless you think he was looking after someone else that was 12-17 you are an idiot. You seem to be trying to argue his open carry was legal. It's not, as he's not 18 and whether or not he's a mentee, non-mentee, or mentor is totally irrelevant. I'm sorry you're unable to grasp that concept, but I get it, you're too busy sucking off neo-nazis to get brownie points and be "one of the good ones." You know how you've incredulously referenced self-hating minorities, or at least neo-nazi supporting ones and how absurd it is that they would exist? Well, you're one of them. You've constantly defended neo-nazis and neo-nazi adjacents like this shit rag. Also, I think it's pretty obvious I was referring to the general requirement of needing a certain category of class to become a hunter mentor. No, it doesn't. That's a blatant lie. It states they may as long as an adult is within arm's reach. You barely even skimmed the article you linked. Still no response or comment on the neo-nazi agent provocateurs? What a dickless piece of shit you are. |
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Post by dabbler on Aug 28, 2020 1:07:14 GMT -5
There are now at least 4 video angles of the second part of this shooting. With the last person to be shot (the one that got shot in the elbow) pulling his pistol on Rittenhouse while he was sitting in the street. This aspect is pretty well covered. What I want to know more about is what happened about 2 minutes prior to this. The original shooting at the used car lot BEFORE this. What happened? Who instigated? If Rittenhouse full-on shot someone for vandalizing a car, then yeah that's murder. I doubt it will be that clear cut though. Lol especially not with cunts like you desperately looking for anything to use to discount his committing murder |
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