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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 28, 2020 1:12:15 GMT -5
There are now at least 4 video angles of the second part of this shooting. With the last person to be shot (the one that got shot in the elbow) pulling his pistol on Rittenhouse while he was sitting in the street. This aspect is pretty well covered. What I want to know more about is what happened about 2 minutes prior to this. The original shooting at the used car lot BEFORE this. What happened? Who instigated? If Rittenhouse full-on shot someone for vandalizing a car, then yeah that's murder. I doubt it will be that clear cut though. Lol especially not with cunts like you desperately looking for anything to use to discount his committing murder That's his job. He's covering for his team no matter how awful they are, no matter who they are, and no matter what heinous things they do. He will literally bend over backwards to defend neo-nazis and their ilk just to "own the libs" and "be a centrist." The details of this instance don't matter unless he can use them to muddy the water. He doesn't care that Rittenhouse killed two, potentially 3, people, he cares that it makes the non-BLM/Antifa group look bad. He doesn't care that innocent people died, I mean, he's already proven he's willing to shoot someone who disagrees with him (under the pretense of a "fight") here on this board after all. And anything that objectively proves his team (or at least those who aren't his "enemy") did something bad will be ignored. Otherwise he'd actually respond to Baron or me about the agent provocateurs. Instead, he's gonna ignore it because it'd mean admitting that his team did something bad. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 28, 2020 2:09:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure why any of this matters. This kid went out of his way to go to Kenosha, steeling himself to murder people. Yes, that's what it is when you combine 'protect stuff' with bringing a gun. The intent was there from the start. He never had to or should have been there. Maybe if it was the kid's parents store or house he might have walked away from this as not guilty, but no way in hell should that be the case here.
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Post by hatoflords on Aug 28, 2020 10:23:32 GMT -5
I can't help but wonder if anyone is ever going to point at Kenosha and say "did guns really make anyone safer?"
Because I'm struggling to see how the presence of guns made anyone safer. It made some people feel safer. It makes people watching from the outside feel better by reinforcing their existing biases. But at the rate things are going, and the way police are behaving it, it seems like the only way to protest 'safely' is to protest armed. Can't help but wonder how on fucking Earth anyone things arming all side is going to end well, let alone enforcing a culture where people can feel safe by being armed and standing opposite other people feeling safe by being armed.
I'm curious how the "Give everyone a gun... PROFIT" formula actually works out for anyone but gun manufacturers. It seems like an escalating and ultimately losing proposition for everyone else.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 28, 2020 12:51:42 GMT -5
Something I saw elsewhere: Why do some people see murder as an acceptable response to property damage, but don't see property damage as an acceptable response to murder?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 28, 2020 12:56:07 GMT -5
Something I saw elsewhere: Why do some people see murder as an acceptable response to property damage, but don't see property damage as an acceptable response to murder? Because some people in the US always rationalize that criminals are unworthy of being part of our society and them dying is no big deal. It doesn't matter what the crime is either, just look at how people try and drag up speeding/parking tickets to paint someone as an "unhinged criminal" or whatever. Meanwhile, murderers usually get painted as "defending themselves" and "destroying other innocent people's property is wrong [and just as bad as murder]" without seeing the irony. And part of it is the system we live in where assets are more highly valued then human life. I.e. the US always have enough money for another stealth bomber, or aircraft carrier, but never enough to pay for people's college-level schooling or medical treatment on any sort of meaningful scale. |
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Aug 28, 2020 13:05:26 GMT -5
Less than two months ago Pompeo literally said that religious liberty and property rights are the prime human rights and should be prioritized. So that kinda says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 14:15:27 GMT -5
Which the shooter apparently did not do, as they're charging him, low and behold, with...
Homicide in the first degree (x2) Attempted Homicide Reckless Endangerment
AND possession of a dangerous weapon when under the legal age required.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 14:17:49 GMT -5
I can't help but wonder if anyone is ever going to point at Kenosha and say "did guns really make anyone safer?" Because I'm struggling to see how the presence of guns made anyone safer. It made some people feel safer. It makes people watching from the outside feel better by reinforcing their existing biases. But at the rate things are going, and the way police are behaving it, it seems like the only way to protest 'safely' is to protest armed. Can't help but wonder how on fucking Earth anyone things arming all side is going to end well, let alone enforcing a culture where people can feel safe by being armed and standing opposite other people feeling safe by being armed. I'm curious how the "Give everyone a gun... PROFIT" formula actually works out for anyone but gun manufacturers. It seems like an escalating and ultimately losing proposition for everyone else. Of his victims, the guy that lived was the one who was actually armed. |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 15:41:56 GMT -5
I think this about confirms it. You have absolutely ZERO reading comprehension. There is no course to be a Hunter Mentor, just a general hunter education course. You can be a non-mentee, while still not being a mentor. Only being a mentor requires you to be over 18. So, unless you think he was looking after someone else that was 12-17 you are an idiot. No, it doesn't. That's a blatant lie. It states they may as long as an adult is within arm's reach. You barely even skimmed the article you linked. For those absolutely too retarded to read, like wolfblade, to quote the article I linked to: A new Wisconsin law allows children of any age to hunt with a gun as long as they are accompanied by an adult, USA Today reports. Hunters must be 14 years of age or older and pass the state's gun safety courses before being allowed to hunt on their own |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 15:44:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure why any of this matters. This kid went out of his way to go to Kenosha, steeling himself to murder people. Yes, that's what it is when you combine 'protect stuff' with bringing a gun. The intent was there from the start. He never had to or should have been there. Maybe if it was the kid's parents store or house he might have walked away from this as not guilty, but no way in hell should that be the case here. Just wondering, do you feel the same way about the out of town people on the other side that brought guns too? |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 15:46:56 GMT -5
I can't help but wonder if anyone is ever going to point at Kenosha and say "did guns really make anyone safer?" Because I'm struggling to see how the presence of guns made anyone safer. It made some people feel safer. It makes people watching from the outside feel better by reinforcing their existing biases. But at the rate things are going, and the way police are behaving it, it seems like the only way to protest 'safely' is to protest armed. Can't help but wonder how on fucking Earth anyone things arming all side is going to end well, let alone enforcing a culture where people can feel safe by being armed and standing opposite other people feeling safe by being armed. I'm curious how the "Give everyone a gun... PROFIT" formula actually works out for anyone but gun manufacturers. It seems like an escalating and ultimately losing proposition for everyone else. Of his victims, the guy that lived was the one who was actually armed. Well, armed with a firearm anyway. One of the guys that were killed bludgeoned him over the head from behind with a skateboard. |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 16:01:23 GMT -5
Looks like there ARE multiple angles from the first part of the shooting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_7QHRNFOKE&t=2s&bpctr=1598649484Starting at the 2:30 mark it looks like before Rittenhouse fired his first four shots he was being chased about 150 feet by multiple people. Someone threw a flaming object at him (some said it was a flaming bag, others a molotov). This object is seen from another camera angle around the 4:34 mark laying on the ground. It appears to me to be a 2-liter bottle half poking out of a shopping bag. Also around the 3:45 mark we see that the first person to fire a weapon was NOT Rittenhouse, but a man with a pistol on the other side of the parking lot. News outlets have all ready still-framed this to show the muzzle blast. So, chased by multiple people shouting at him, corned, gunshot fired, one person grabbing at him. I'm going to say I can see a jury finding him not guilty on the other charges. Now, Rittenhouse very well might be guilty of underage brandishing of a firearm. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 28, 2020 16:01:23 GMT -5
No, it doesn't. That's a blatant lie. It states they may as long as an adult is within arm's reach. You barely even skimmed the article you linked. For those absolutely too retarded to read, like wolfblade, to quote the article I linked to: A new Wisconsin law allows children of any age to hunt with a gun as long as they are accompanied by an adult, USA Today reports. Hunters must be 14 years of age or older and pass the state's gun safety courses before being allowed to hunt on their ownThat has absolutely nothing to do with open carry, only hunting. Do you really think he was hunting? Seriously? In the middle of the city? How many times were you dropped on the head as a young child? He literally went there with a gun expecting to "defend himself" just like you said you'd do if anyone showed up to fight you... after you posted some GPS coords. So, you're the only idiot here carlo. You've bent over backwards to defend nazis. You are literally an Uncle Tom-esque person. You're defending blatant murder because it makes trumptards look even worse, and you can't stand that. I still see you don't want to engage on how nazis, not BLM or Antifa, are responsible for the riots and attempts to turn the protests violent though. |
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Post by carlo87 on Aug 28, 2020 16:04:00 GMT -5
For those absolutely too retarded to read, like wolfblade, to quote the article I linked to: A new Wisconsin law allows children of any age to hunt with a gun as long as they are accompanied by an adult, USA Today reports. Hunters must be 14 years of age or older and pass the state's gun safety courses before being allowed to hunt on their ownThat has absolutely nothing to do with open carry, only hunting. Do you really think he was hunting? Seriously? In the middle of the city? How many times were you dropped on the head as a young child? You're the only idiot here carlo. You've bent over backwards to defend nazis. You are literally an Uncle Tom-esque person. I still see you don't want to engage on how nazis, not BLM or Antifa, are responsible for the riots and attempts to turn the protests violent though. I specifically stated that there WERE some instances of alt-right people doing just that. You're portrayal of BLM/ ANTIFA being totally innocent of instigating violence is also wrong. |
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 28, 2020 16:06:10 GMT -5
That has absolutely nothing to do with open carry, only hunting. Do you really think he was hunting? Seriously? In the middle of the city? How many times were you dropped on the head as a young child? You're the only idiot here carlo. You've bent over backwards to defend nazis. You are literally an Uncle Tom-esque person. I still see you don't want to engage on how nazis, not BLM or Antifa, are responsible for the riots and attempts to turn the protests violent though. I specifically stated that there WERE some instances of alt-right people doing just that. You're portrayal of BLM/ ANTIFA being totally innocent of instigating violence is also wrong. Uhhhh, no. It wasn't. Your insistence that the majority of violence/rioting being started by BLM/Antifa is wrong. The vast majority has been started by neo-nazis, which you refuse to admit in spite of all the evidence proving you wrong. Go back to sucking trump off already on whatever 4chan/neo-nazi site you visit. Go back there and be "one of the good ones" already. |
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