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Post by hatoflords on Oct 7, 2020 8:54:14 GMT -5
I don't believe swing voters exist. I don't believe there is some magical and significant portion of voters who are still undecided. There is some evidence (or at least a model that predicted the midterms) for swing voters being unimportant, and as sides get increasingly polarized, the undecided voter base will shrink. But then again, the depths of human stupidity never cease to amaze me. Maybe there really is a sizable number of "undecided" voters in the swing states who could decide the election still after an entire term of trump being president, but I find it hard to believe. LinkThat's because calling them swing voters is a complete misnomer.
They're much better described as non-voters who occasionally get motivated by something they probably should have cared about before to suddenly vote 'this time'. I don't think they swing much either. I think their 'not Dems' and 'not Facists' who spend most of their time hiding under rocks or with their heads up their asses and think not being political somehow makes them enlightened.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 7, 2020 10:17:32 GMT -5
People not bothering to vote because they believe its pointless or the 'system' is broken are always such fun to talk to.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Oct 7, 2020 10:19:49 GMT -5
I mean, the system IS broken, but other than voting the only way to fix it is violent revolution...
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 7, 2020 10:25:45 GMT -5
Frequently their understanding of broken is laughably wrong (not just US voters I mean). When it is broken, it can be kept broken because the people who complain about it being broken don't help vote out the party breaking it. Especially the US has abysmal turnout numbers that heavily (even if voter suppression is taken into account) favors one party. Convincing women to vote in significant numbers basically shuts out the GOP on a national level iirc the analysis the WAPO once did.
Of course not caring about the popular vote is an obstacle, but not insurmountable.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 7, 2020 12:13:51 GMT -5
Frequently their understanding of broken is laughably wrong (not just US voters I mean). This.
I can't help but remember MLK's description of the 'white moderate' whenever I think of the 'independent voter'. They're no independent, no more than the white was moderate. They're just complacent and lazy. As long as nothing impacts them specifically, they don't care and they intrinsically need to be coddled like spoiled children to even understand that yes it will impact them. There's a whole section of the American population that has nonchalantly washed it's hands of it's own governance, basically tacitly subjecting itself to a position of subservience to whoever wins the political arms race.
I can't help but be infuriated at people who use 'both sides suck' as an excuse to do nothing. If you don't like either side, fucking pick one and make it better. We pick our candidates in this country. We're not a parliamentary system. If the candidates are too extreme for people's liking, that's solely because the only people who bother participating in the primary process most of the time are dedicated partisans. There's no reason to appeal to a moderate voter base that doesn't vote and no reason to take the risk of bipartisanship when it punishes you in primary season. That's how the Republicans became such a fucking mess teetering toward full on fascism.
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Post by steelmage99 on Oct 7, 2020 14:07:33 GMT -5
So the latest version of Hanoi Hannah get's her comeuppance.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Oct 7, 2020 14:25:45 GMT -5
Bullshit Barbie’s got it too.
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Post by steelmage99 on Oct 7, 2020 14:34:48 GMT -5
Fucking hell!
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 7, 2020 18:11:18 GMT -5
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Oct 7, 2020 18:34:07 GMT -5
The cruelty is a feature, not a bug.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 7, 2020 22:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by adurot on Oct 8, 2020 13:31:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 16:04:52 GMT -5
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Oct 8, 2020 16:14:30 GMT -5
Crazies gonna crazy.
Especially when egged on by the actual PotUS.
Edit: The fuckwits actually call themselves the "Wolverine Watchmen". That's despicable....
....combining Marvel and DC like that.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 8, 2020 17:52:34 GMT -5
Wow, 13 lone wolves caught just like that.
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