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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 23, 2020 13:16:19 GMT -5
Clearly evidence that thanks to Trump the Satanic deep state paedophiles are panicking and starting to fracture into factions under Trump's relentless pressure.
Not at all a sign of Trump encouraging violence, which you could have argued if ever Trump said multiple times that Biden is a mortal threat to the survival of the US. Luckily he is a decent Christian.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Oct 23, 2020 13:29:48 GMT -5
Some people braver and with more free time than I have did a deep dive on that guy's online history. It's a slow, sad descent from troubled outsider to fanatical useful idiot. Given how much we know about grooming and making a terrorist out of these kinds of tragic young men, it should be relatively easy to identify these kids early and intervene.
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Post by lonestarr777 on Oct 23, 2020 13:34:54 GMT -5
Some people braver and with more free time than I have did a deep dive on that guy's online history. It's a slow, sad descent from troubled outsider to fanatical useful idiot. Given how much we know about grooming and making a terrorist out of these kinds of tragic young men, it should be relatively easy to identify these kids early and intervene. That would require that someone out there cares. We don't try to prevent tragedy and misfortune in the US, no no that's not the American way. Just wait till there's enough evidence to punish it.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Oct 23, 2020 13:39:38 GMT -5
The shift from surveilling Islamic extremism to this type of lone wolf right wing extremism has been slow, regardless of the multiple warnings. A lot of money is still pumped into the former while the latter is getting a lot more dangerous, if not yet at parity. Its partly a priority problem.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 23, 2020 17:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 24, 2020 1:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Oct 26, 2020 11:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by lonestarr777 on Oct 26, 2020 17:00:10 GMT -5
It could always happen to a worse human being, but at least finally there's one less monster in the world. Good fucking riddance, may his son's soon follow him.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Oct 26, 2020 21:37:50 GMT -5
Well, that's the first time in 155 years that a SCOTUS nominee has been confirmed without a single vote from the opposition. Clearly this precedent means she should step back and wait for the results of the election, right. Because I'm told by a reliable source that precedents are really important.
Please, for the sake of the rest of us, get these nutjobs out and never forget what the Republicans have done. Not just Trump, but GWB, GHWB and Holy Saint Reagan. Drag them screaming and snivelling into the light and force them to choose openly between power or democracy.
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 26, 2020 22:55:09 GMT -5
Well, that's the first time in 155 years that a SCOTUS nominee has been confirmed without a single vote from the opposition. Clearly this precedent means she should step back and wait for the results of the election, right. Because I'm told by a reliable source that precedents are really important. Please, for the sake of the rest of us, get these nutjobs out and never forget what the Republicans have done. Not just Trump, but GWB, GHWB and Holy Saint Reagan. Drag them screaming and snivelling into the light and force them to choose openly between power or democracy. I actually won't be surprised if the Democrats find some reason to remove one of Trump's SCOTUS picks, most likely Brett. The GOF basically left an open door on a sex assault allegation they didn't even pretend to investigate. Don't know. Something's going to happen. The sheer lack of outright refusal from Dems on the court packing question is telling to me, but the lack of overt support to. I think they know they're going to do something, they just don't know what and whatever it is they end up doing depends heavily on the outcome of the election and why screw themselves talking about it when they neither know what it is or what they'll have to work with.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Oct 26, 2020 23:11:21 GMT -5
Is it not the case that impeachment of a SCOTUS judge takes 66 votes and can't be changed without an amendment? I thought that was why increasing the size of the court was easier?
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Post by hatoflords on Oct 26, 2020 23:21:16 GMT -5
Is it not the case that impeachment of a SCOTUS judge takes 66 votes and can't be changed without an amendment? I thought that was why increasing the size of the court was easier? Yes.
It's also the case that it would be hard to be a SCOTUS justice while being investigated for multiple sexual assaults. Sex assaults that are probably can't be prosecuted, but would make it very hard for Brett to ignore them and keep a constant finger pointed at the GOF for approving him without properly investigating any of the dozens of witnesses who said they had information and were never interviewed during his nomination. The GOF left that door wide open and it's a very easy door for the Democrats to walk through with little consequence. Trump's attitudes and disdain for women and their issues are a big part of what's hurting him now. If they can paint that onto the entire GOF it could become a major element of making the Republican Party the Party of Trump even after Trump is gone.
EDIT: There's also been talk that sweeping investigations into Trump's presidency could lead to arguments that it was a criminal administration and nothing it did should be honored but I see no legal basis for using that as a mechanism for invalidating all three of his SCOTUS appointments.
The Dems might just decide to pack the court. Even if it starts a death spiral, its easy to argue the court is already packed and the complete disregard for bipartisan consensus on court picks by the GOF could simply have the Dems shrugging and saying "elections have consequences'. Such a move could break the courts ability to make any decisions, and would inevitably force court reform in some form or another. An ironic employment of the GOD strategy of 'break the government so we can complain about it'.
They might also be waiting to see if they need to do anything. There have been low key rumors about Thomas for a few years now and Bryant has cancer. Both could step down under a Biden presidency and if Thomas steps down the Dems might simply settle for a return to a 4/5 divide.
They have time to decide what they want to do in any case. It's unlikely this will be the first thing on the docket. Focusing on shoring up election security, healthcare, and executive oversight are likely to be more winning issues in the first 2 years of Democratic Congressional control if they win it. And it increasingly looks like a certainty that they will. The rush to confirm Barret actually makes more sense if we assume McConnell expects to lose his majority no matter what and sees a naked race for a partisan court as a long term win that gives the GOF time to redress their electoral losses. You know that as soon as 2021 hits the deficit will suddenly matter again, they'll shift all blame for their failure to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic onto the Democrats, and they'll happily enjoy any economic downturns that come as a result of their own fiscal recklessness and blame it on the other side.
The Democrats need to spend the next 2 years looking at the 2022 midterms and the 2024 election. Those outcomes could heavily influence their options on the court.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Oct 27, 2020 7:17:26 GMT -5
Let's not forget another little problem Trump created that Democrats will have to fix: the payroll tax deferral. Sure, it's nice that I'm getting an extra $150 a paycheck now, but I'll have to start paying that back January 1. And, while I understand and accept that's how it works, A LOT of dumbasses out there don't. It's like the Trump and the GOP have intentionally created a host of problems that the Democrats will have to fix. And because they can't fix all of them right away, the GOP will get to blame the Democrats for them...and voters will fall for it.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Oct 27, 2020 8:39:26 GMT -5
And because GOP voters only get their news from scum like Fox and OAN, they won't be exposed to the counters to the claims made by the right wing pundits.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Oct 27, 2020 11:42:23 GMT -5
FYI, the natural conclusion for GOP behaviour is outright political violence. They have nakedly abandoned good faith negotiation, they aren't even pretending anymore. Kav and now Barret are poison appointments, Kav for being objectively unsuitable to sit on the bench and Barret for not having "the will of the people" to mandate her seat.
Look at other countries, where good faith democracy has failed. Political violence is the norm.
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