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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 6, 2020 19:46:31 GMT -5
So, there are rumors about biden's potential cabinet picks, and they don't look good:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 19:49:05 GMT -5
Considering the foiled attack on Vote counters this morning in Phili, I don't think his followers expect Trump to bow to reality either.
Edit: Actually a mixed cabinet would probably be a good idea at this point. Biden want's to present himself as a Unity leader, that'd be a good start.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 6, 2020 20:17:24 GMT -5
Considering the foiled attack on Vote counters this morning in Phili, I don't think his followers expect Trump to bow to reality either. Edit: Actually a mixed cabinet would probably be a good idea at this point. Biden want's to present himself as a Unity leader, that'd be a good start.
Why the fuck should the democrats give a single inch to republicans? Every single one of them (as in, the elected officials and around 90% of the base) supported trump throughout his entire presidency. This is one of the reasons dems never get anything done. They're always trying to compromise and never realize the other side has no interest in compromise. The time for "unity" has come and gone. "Unity" would have been nice when kids were being thrown in cages and abused. Republicans have had at least a decade to show they're interested in "unity" or "compromise" and they didn't. They blatantly rejected it any time it was on the table. Worse than that, they've reveled in disunity and discord and actively promoted it. They've shown more support for neo-nazis, systematic racism, and general scumbaggery than any sort of basic human decency or "unity." to;dr: We don't need any more GOP officials in any sort of position to be pushing their policies in whatever manner they can. FUCK "unity" with the GOP. They're a bunch of fascists, or fascism supporters/apologists at best. The chance for compromise and "unity" has come and gone years and years ago. You know what the democrats need to be doing? Unifying their own party instead of trying to suck up to the GOP who will NEVER work with them.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 6, 2020 21:47:08 GMT -5
Please for the love of God don't be Joseph Chamberlain when the world needs Joseph Roosevelt.
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Post by tannhauser42 on Nov 6, 2020 21:56:34 GMT -5
Ah, but which Roosevelt? Both have their merits.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 6, 2020 22:27:21 GMT -5
Well THAT'S something I didn't expect. I'm reminded of the Bob Woodward tapes on Trump's frank comments about the Coronavirus. Just because he can admit something in private doesn't mean we will ever see it in public. Even after those tapes were released, Trump kept up the public disparaging.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Nov 6, 2020 22:29:07 GMT -5
If we are going to post memes, dont cry Jared
A great movie and a meme that keeps on giving. Hard to fully appreciate it if you understand (some) German though.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Nov 7, 2020 6:46:03 GMT -5
I can't wait to see how despic portrays this as totally fake or something. Oh wait, I suppose he already has, hasn't he? Yeah, his position on the whole thing is "It's not my problem, it's their problem, they just deal with it". Despic. position is that there should be the harshest possible sanctions on Iran to try to force a regime change, no matter the consequences on Iranian people from the sanctions, no matter the consequences on Iranian people from the regime change (remember, there is no organized opposition party, it's going to be chaos, and the resulting government could likely be worse than the current one, but fostering an credible, democratic opposition to the current regime is not his problem, he said so explicitly), unless Iran stop their nuclear program. But even with the tougher inspection program in the world saying they have stopped their nuclear program, Despic. won't be convinced. When you ask Despic. what would be enough for him to recognize that Iran stopped his nuclear program, he just won't answer. If you are looking for the shutting-despic-up question, ask him what would be enough for him to accept that Iran stopped their nuclear program, and keep pushing until he leaves lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 7:41:47 GMT -5
Why the fuck should the democrats give a single inch to republicans? Every single one of them (as in, the elected officials and around 90% of the base) supported trump throughout his entire presidency. This is one of the reasons dems never get anything done. They're always trying to compromise and never realize the other side has no interest in compromise. The time for "unity" has come and gone. "Unity" would have been nice when kids were being thrown in cages and abused. Republicans have had at least a decade to show they're interested in "unity" or "compromise" and they didn't. They blatantly rejected it any time it was on the table. Worse than that, they've reveled in disunity and discord and actively promoted it. They've shown more support for neo-nazis, systematic racism, and general scumbaggery than any sort of basic human decency or "unity." to;dr: We don't need any more GOP officials in any sort of position to be pushing their policies in whatever manner they can. FUCK "unity" with the GOP. They're a bunch of fascists, or fascism supporters/apologists at best. The chance for compromise and "unity" has come and gone years and years ago. You know what the democrats need to be doing? Unifying their own party instead of trying to suck up to the GOP who will NEVER work with them. Wolf, because that would be justifying the GoP's claims about the Dems and two you must have missed the election we just had where members of the GoP worked with the Dems. Project Lincoln, for example.
Further, and this is just a reminder, the US Government DOES NOT WORK when one party refuses to work with the other. It's how we got the Civil War.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 7, 2020 7:55:51 GMT -5
Exactly. How do you work with Mitch? It's a waste of time as long as the Republican party wants gridlock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 8:04:49 GMT -5
Exactly. How do you work with Mitch? It's a waste of time as long as the Republican party wants gridlock.
Get around him. Find Senators willing to cross the aisle and make deals where their pet projects get advanced in exchange for their votes. Make sure that ones that don't play ball get known in their local jurisdictions for the fact that they could have done their jobs and made their constituents lives better, but chose not to. And play dirty.
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Post by adurot on Nov 7, 2020 8:22:51 GMT -5
Exactly. How do you work with Mitch? It's a waste of time as long as the Republican party wants gridlock.
Get around him. Find Senators willing to cross the aisle and make deals where their pet projects get advanced in exchange for their votes. Make sure that ones that don't play ball get known in their local jurisdictions for the fact that they could have done their jobs and made their constituents lives better, but chose not to. And play dirty.
Moscow Mitch decides what they vote on.
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Post by dabbler on Nov 7, 2020 8:46:42 GMT -5
Get around him. Find Senators willing to cross the aisle and make deals where their pet projects get advanced in exchange for their votes. Make sure that ones that don't play ball get known in their local jurisdictions for the fact that they could have done their jobs and made their constituents lives better, but chose not to. And play dirty.
Moscow Mitch decides what they vote on. Yeah. You can't apply thinking from before 2012 to nowadays. It's irrelevant given the current GOP. The most "fair" GOP member was McCain who still voted party line on the vaaaaast majority of fucking everything, and just made his name doing one thumbs down. Same as Romney making his name voting no on a nothing vote which was in no danger of failing and now for that he's somehow the moderate one, because we're so desperate for "common sense" that we'll just stretch for it anywhere. There is no reason or moderation in the modern GOP. They're fucked. So fuck em
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 8:52:14 GMT -5
Get around him. Find Senators willing to cross the aisle and make deals where their pet projects get advanced in exchange for their votes. Make sure that ones that don't play ball get known in their local jurisdictions for the fact that they could have done their jobs and made their constituents lives better, but chose not to. And play dirty.
Moscow Mitch decides what they vote on.
There are ways around that too.
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Nov 7, 2020 9:17:36 GMT -5
Any republican joining a democrat administration will instantly be demonised by the right wing media which their voters consume.
Look at what flak Republicans got whenever they merely criticised Trump. Now consider what their base will do if they are actively working with "the enemy"
Republicans have zero incentive to work with the democrats as they gain nothing (they do not consider governing well to be a gain), give policy victories to their opposition and anger their base by doing so. When you cultivate your voters to be extremists in their views of the opposing side, then you cannot move back to the norms of co-operation without alienating a portion of them and the Republicans have such a limited voter pool in terms of demographics that alienating their base will be incredibly damaging to their election chances.
Hell, they are being punished this election by their failed pandemic response having killed off their own voters, an incredibly easily foreseeable consequence. But they cannot back down on their response to the pandemic now, as their base have absorbed it into their worldview. So they are stuck pushing policies like opposing mask mandates, lockdowns, social distancing etc. which will kill their own supporters as they stand to lose more by u-turning.
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