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Post by hatoflords on Nov 7, 2020 9:25:24 GMT -5
I do think it's hard after the last 4 years to pretend that Republicans can be expected to do the rational or right thing by their constituents. They just spent 4 years not caring about anything but the wielding of naked power, embracing conspiracy theories, and refusing to conceded even to each other on the most basic of issues. Even when they controlled the government they failed to get anything of consequence done. I find it hard to believe that will change with a Democrat in the White House and gains made in the House of Representatives. So long as stubborn refusal to compromise or cooperate and blatant lying wins them elections and any step even remotely off from the party line is harshly punished, they won't change.
Let them.
The party will eat itself alive if it keeps doing that and I think it might be for the best.
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Post by kaptinbadrukk on Nov 7, 2020 9:41:58 GMT -5
It's official now: Perdue VS Ossoff is going to a runoff on January.
Margins in all undecided states: Alaska: 51,382 in Trump's favor Georgia: 7,248 in Biden's favor North Carolina: 76,515 in Trump's favor Arizona: 29,861 in Biden's favor Pennsylvania: 28,833 in Biden's favor Nevada: 22,657 in Biden's favor
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Post by kaptinbadrukk on Nov 7, 2020 11:32:39 GMT -5
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAWD YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AP, CNN AND NBC HAVE PROJECTED PENNSYLVANIA AND THE ENTIRE RACE FOR JOE BIDEN!!!!!
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Post by kaptinbadrukk on Nov 7, 2020 11:33:38 GMT -5
IT'S OVER!!!! CONCEDE THE ELECTION, DONALD JOHN TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JOE BIDEN WILL NOW BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!
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Post by kaptinbadrukk on Nov 7, 2020 11:38:19 GMT -5
FOX news has not projected the race for Biden yet. It's over for Trump, they should project the race for Biden right this second.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 7, 2020 11:43:01 GMT -5
I think Fox's refusal to call is more a business decision than a race decision. In a way it's odd the race wasn't called last night when there was no indication that Trump could conjure enough votes to close the race in three of the four states Biden is ahead in. Now that PA has left the realm of an automatic recount with the latest ballot drop, pollsters seem to be comfortable declaring the state.
And as I was typing this Fox called PA and Nevada for Biden.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 7, 2020 11:43:58 GMT -5
Why the fuck should the democrats give a single inch to republicans? Every single one of them (as in, the elected officials and around 90% of the base) supported trump throughout his entire presidency. This is one of the reasons dems never get anything done. They're always trying to compromise and never realize the other side has no interest in compromise. The time for "unity" has come and gone. "Unity" would have been nice when kids were being thrown in cages and abused. Republicans have had at least a decade to show they're interested in "unity" or "compromise" and they didn't. They blatantly rejected it any time it was on the table. Worse than that, they've reveled in disunity and discord and actively promoted it. They've shown more support for neo-nazis, systematic racism, and general scumbaggery than any sort of basic human decency or "unity." to;dr: We don't need any more GOP officials in any sort of position to be pushing their policies in whatever manner they can. FUCK "unity" with the GOP. They're a bunch of fascists, or fascism supporters/apologists at best. The chance for compromise and "unity" has come and gone years and years ago. You know what the democrats need to be doing? Unifying their own party instead of trying to suck up to the GOP who will NEVER work with them. Wolf, because that would be justifying the GoP's claims about the Dems and two you must have missed the election we just had where members of the GoP worked with the Dems. Project Lincoln, for example.
Further, and this is just a reminder, the US Government DOES NOT WORK when one party refuses to work with the other. It's how we got the Civil War.
You understand LP was actually fucking worthless right? Trump's share of GOP votes went from 90% to 93% last I checked. They didn't do a damn thing, they were literally a waste of money. But ignoring neo-cons like the LP, not ONE fucking republican has shown any real spine in standing up to trump. the most "heroic" and "praiseworthy" ones, McCain and Romney, still voted along party lines literally 90% of the time. You cannot seriously expect them to change after the last 4 years. That's some serious denial you are in. Seriously, do I need to go and list every scummy thing they've done? Do I need to mention that McConnell is still in charge? And "justifying the GoP's claims about the Dems"? When has the GOP or their fascist base EVER cared what the facts are? THEY LITERALLY SAID THE DEMS INVENTED CORONA. GET A FUCKING GRIP, BARON.You are living in a different reality if you think the GOP will work with dems. This isn't pre-2012 anymore. Neither of you are actually addressing the issues I (angrily) pointed out. You're just saying "work around them" or "the country needs unity," and in an incredibly ironic statement "the US Government DOES NOT WORK when one party refuses to work with the other." Seriously, did you miss 2012 onward? let me say it once more: THE GOP WILL NEVER WORK WITH THE DEMS. "Unity" is just an excuse for them to whine about the dems not giving in entirely to their demands. Exactly. How do you work with Mitch? It's a waste of time as long as the Republican party wants gridlock. Get around him. Find Senators willing to cross the aisle and make deals where their pet projects get advanced in exchange for their votes. Make sure that ones that don't play ball get known in their local jurisdictions for the fact that they could have done their jobs and made their constituents lives better, but chose not to. And play dirty.
That doesn't work dude. McConnell is sitting at 25% approval, and 50% disapproval and still won his election. You're acting like the GOP suddenly grew morals overnight. They haven't. Shaming GOP politicians does not work. They allied with literal neo-nazis, and their base elected a Qanon idiot to Congress. Stop living in pre-2010/2012 times. Moscow Mitch decides what they vote on. There are ways around that too.
You're awfully light on suggestions. This entire time you've just insisted they work around or with them, but haven't said how. For the record, the GOP in the Senate could just filibuster all day and that's if they DIDN'T have a majority! With a majority, they get to set the agenda, and the agenda is not discussing or voting on any of the 300+ bills on McConnell's desk already. Seriously dude, get a grip. The GOP is still the GOP. They haven't changed. There have been no brain swaps with their past selves.
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Post by kaptinbadrukk on Nov 7, 2020 11:45:54 GMT -5
I think Fox's refusal to call is more a business decision than a race decision. In a way it's odd the race wasn't called last night when there was no indication that Trump could conjure enough votes to close the race in the four states Biden is ahead in. Now that PA has left the realm of an automatic recount with the latest ballot drop, pollsters seem to be comfortable declaring the state. NYT says that Fox is in a commercial break.
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Post by kaptinbadrukk on Nov 7, 2020 11:46:35 GMT -5
Hold the fuck up. Fox just projected Nevada, Pennsylvania and the entire presidential election for Joe Biden.
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 7, 2020 11:47:29 GMT -5
Yup, as I was typing lol
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Post by A Town Called Malus on Nov 7, 2020 12:00:59 GMT -5
And yet...
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Post by hatoflords on Nov 7, 2020 12:04:41 GMT -5
They should change it to ! No he didn't.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 7, 2020 12:12:48 GMT -5
Mate, I'm agreeing with you. I literally compared Biden trying to be bipartisan with the Republicans to Neville Chamberlain's appeasment policies. How much more over-the-top do I have to be?
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Post by kaptinbadrukk on Nov 7, 2020 12:17:00 GMT -5
And NYT just called Biden the winner in Nevada.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 7, 2020 12:17:14 GMT -5
Mate, I'm agreeing with you. I literally compared Biden trying to be bipartisan with the Republicans to Neville Chamberlain's appeasment policies. How much more over-the-top do I have to be?
Whoops, I think I accidentally left you in, let me fix that. I originally misread what you wrote.
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