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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Nov 19, 2020 12:17:42 GMT -5
Reminder, the tweet was about lifting coronavirus protections, not about the election.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 19, 2020 12:19:41 GMT -5
Personally, I think that makes it worse.
INB4 despic says something like "that's just trump being trump." (We know it is. That's the point. Trump can both be trump and seditious)
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 14:16:09 GMT -5
Every occupant in the Whitehouse has always held that theory, regardless from which party. Honestly, I don't understand the consternation regarding this, it's pretty straight forward. Every executive powers literally comes from POTUS. Hence why POTUS can fire any executive political positions at will.
Regardless, the policy of lying about elections is ridiculous.
What "policy" are you referring to? From the gist of your statement, are you referring to Trump campaign futility trying to contest the elections in the courts?
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 19, 2020 15:11:19 GMT -5
Regardless, the policy of lying about elections is ridiculous.
What "policy" are you referring to? From the gist of your statement, are you referring to Trump campaign futility trying to contest the elections in the courts? Here it is - the beginning of the faithful starting to distance Trump from the GOP. It's not "the Trump campaign" that is doing this. It is the party. Trumpism has infected the GOP, from root to branch. I recommend you disavow the thoroughly corrupt and utterly corrupted GOP and go all in full time with the Libertarians. Sure, they may be chock a block with actual nutjobs, not just cultists and grifters, but at least they are ideologically consistent. You'd at least have your dignity.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 15:55:35 GMT -5
Regardless, the policy of lying about elections is ridiculous.
What "policy" are you referring to? From the gist of your statement, are you referring to Trump campaign futility trying to contest the elections in the courts? How about Graham pressuring Georgia to throw out perfectly legal ballots, for a starter?
EDIT: Also, as said above, it's not the Trump campaign. It's the Republican party.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 16:10:25 GMT -5
What "policy" are you referring to? From the gist of your statement, are you referring to Trump campaign futility trying to contest the elections in the courts? How about Graham pressuring Georgia to throw out perfectly legal ballots, for a starter?
EDIT: Also, as said above, it's not the Trump campaign. It's the Republican party.
That's not a policy, that's just consternation over the elections. Happens every 4 years. I don't support these efforts, not because I don't think there wasn't fraud (there are obvious cases). But, that the numbers of "apparent" fraud is no where near flipping the elections. Trump is looking for some Pyrrhic victory, where I don't think he has even a chance for that. And, the Republican party will be fine when Trump campaigns loses these court battles. Just like the Democratic party was fine after Gore lost his Florida recount SCOTUS case in 2000.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 16:27:32 GMT -5
How about Graham pressuring Georgia to throw out perfectly legal ballots, for a starter?
EDIT: Also, as said above, it's not the Trump campaign. It's the Republican party.
That's not a policy, that's just consternation over the elections. Happens every 4 years. Fuck. Off. Show me where McCain or Romney launched 20+ lawsuits that all got thrown out and refused to accept their losses. Show me where any previous US president in the modern era has gone this all-in on contesting an election illegitimately. You can't, because it's unprecedented.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 19, 2020 16:42:38 GMT -5
Despic's coping is real.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 17:05:12 GMT -5
That's not a policy, that's just consternation over the elections. Happens every 4 years. Fuck. Off. Show me where McCain or Romney launched 20+ lawsuits that all got thrown out and refused to accept their losses. Show me where any previous US president in the modern era has gone this all-in on contesting an election illegitimately. You can't, because it's unprecedented. Fuck. You. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._GoreFuck. You. In. Your. Dick. Hole. The Democrats/Left refused to grant any legitimacy over these last 4 years. So, ya'll don't have any leg to stand on this. JUST TAKE THE GOD DAMN WIN! Jesus, it amazes me how unhappy the Democrats/Lefties are that Biden actually WON, when you know that all these trivial Trump campaign lawsuits are just a lot of hot air. Is it because the Democrats/Lefties didn't win the Senate? Is that it? Were you hoping for such a "Blue Wave" that would herald an new progressive era in US politics? Why are you so cantankerously so unhappy about the Biden win? Also, McCain and Romney were blown out of the waters due to the Electoral College where the margin of Obama's victory in the contested states was waaay larger than margins in 2020 election. So, it would make even less sense for them to contest, ala the Trump campaign. The facts is, the Trump campaign does have a right to bring their concerns to the courts, no matter how unreasonable they are. That's what the courts are for...and courts will (and has) thrown out most of their cases. Why is this such a touchy topic for you? You don't live here... For what its worth, US Senator Mitt Romney's not on board with Trump campaign's shenanigans: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966619/Mitt-Romney-openly-mocks-Trumps-claims-election-fraud-Normally-evidence-FIRST.htmlAre you saying Romney's not a Republican? There are multiple Republicans (Cocaine Mitch included) who stated that it's prudent to begin the transition for Biden, as well as begin highlevel security reviews. Technically, Biden isn't the "President-Elect" until the electors are certified in mid-December. THAT'S when all this bs Trump lawsuits would end.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 17:08:25 GMT -5
What "policy" are you referring to? From the gist of your statement, are you referring to Trump campaign futility trying to contest the elections in the courts? Here it is - the beginning of the faithful starting to distance Trump from the GOP. It's not "the Trump campaign" that is doing this. It is the party. Trumpism has infected the GOP, from root to branch. I recommend you disavow the thoroughly corrupt and utterly corrupted GOP and go all in full time with the Libertarians. Sure, they may be chock a block with actual nutjobs, not just cultists and grifters, but at least they are ideologically consistent. You'd at least have your dignity. No. I disavow everything the Democrats stands for and the Libertarian party is only good for one thing... they have 'parties'. Trumpism isn't going to be a permanent feature of the GOP party, any more than Obama or HRC would be in the Democratic party.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 17:28:15 GMT -5
Fuck. Off. Show me where McCain or Romney launched 20+ lawsuits that all got thrown out and refused to accept their losses. Show me where any previous US president in the modern era has gone this all-in on contesting an election illegitimately. You can't, because it's unprecedented. Why is this such a touchy topic for you? You don't live here...
Because when you guys fuck up the rest of us suffer for it too. That really shouldn't be all that hard to realize.
Also, remind me again who paid activists to disrupt the vote counting in Miami-Dade in 2000? Legitimacy is not given, it is earned. That's why "winning" despite losing the popular election should be a big problem from your perspective too, because democratic legitimacy is based on actually representing the majority. The Republicans aren't. Romney's a minority. Sure, there's more Republican politicians that are doing the right thing, notably the dude in Georgia pointing the finger at Senator Graham, but that doesn't change the fact that Senator Graham and his ilk exists in the first place.
Finally, the point isn't that Trump shouldn't be allowed to contest results in court, he totally should. The point is that he's lying, as usual. It's not the filing of lawsuits, it's the whole temper tantrum over cheating and then having absolutely 0 proof of it. You don't get to complain about getting no legitimacy from the Democrats when your party pulls off shit like this.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 18:04:12 GMT -5
Why is this such a touchy topic for you? You don't live here... Because when you guys fuck up the rest of us suffer for it too. That really shouldn't be all that hard to realize. What, exactly have we fucked up that the likes of *you* are suffering? Please, give me details. How is it, the almighty US of America is fucking things up for *you* where you live (Denmark?)
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 18:10:27 GMT -5
It's Sweden, but you know the 2015 refugee crisis? Yeah, that Iraq war sure ended up nicely, huh?
And don't play the "lol the Middle East has been in conflict for thousands of years" card or bring up the Sykes-Picot agreement to deflect. The US fucking up Iraq and unflinchingly backing Saudi Arabia is actively making the world more dangerous. The fact that others have too does not absolve the US from the colossal fuck-up that the Iraq war was/is.
I'd add in the incessant refusal to accept that climate change is a thing, but we're not exactly paragons on that part either, and I don't think I have the patience to have that particular discussion again.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 19, 2020 18:10:47 GMT -5
Fuck. Off. Show me where McCain or Romney launched 20+ lawsuits that all got thrown out and refused to accept their losses. Show me where any previous US president in the modern era has gone this all-in on contesting an election illegitimately. You can't, because it's unprecedented. Fuck. You. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._GoreHilarious. Just because you call yourself a political junkie, doesn't mean you are informed From your link: 2000 was about the (again, thoroughly corrupt and utterly corrupted) GOP using legal bullshittery to steal the White House. IT IS NOT the "Dems did it first". Even if your laughably incorrect attempt at both sides! was valid, 2000 was 20 years and 5 elections ago. Got any more examples of this 'routine consternation'?
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 18:24:22 GMT -5
Hilarious. Just because you call yourself a political junkie, doesn't mean you are informed From your link: 2000 was about the (again, thoroughly corrupt and utterly corrupted) GOP using legal bullshittery to steal the White House. IT IS NOT the "Dems did it first". Even if your laughably incorrect attempt at both sides! was valid, 2000 was 20 years and 5 elections ago. Got any more examples of this 'routine consternation'? Under every recount scenario, Bush would've won Florida... ESPECIALLY under a state-wide recount. That's why Gore only focused on Dem-heavy counties, he wanted a DIFFERENT criterion for valid votes than the rest of the states. SCOTUS overruled that because it would violate Floridian voter's equal protection rights. That was all about DEMOCRAT's chicanery. So my point stands. For all the sturm and drang over the Trump campaign's litigating the 2020 election, keep in mind that lawsuits /recounts/audits to continue down every plausible avenue, because it is better to have a legal process that examines these kinds of challenges to election integrity on the basis of law and evidence than simply to have theories running loose with no way to contest them and no venue in which to develop and present evidence. If there are 1000 badvotes in an election decided by 10,000, those 1000may not have stolen the result, but they are still a problem, just as Russian meddling was a problem in 2016 even though it did not decide the election. So yes- Let the process keep going, let the sunlight in, and make every case that one can for exposing genuine misconduct and improving our election systems in the future. In other words, it's incumbent on the Trump campaign to PROVE these allegations, and as long as the courts are ajudicating in good faith, all that does is strengthens the legitimacy of the election. As to your last point, Dude. The media/Democrats (but I repeat myself) never gave Trump's 2016 victory any legitimacy. Have you been hiding under a big rock all this time?
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