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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 18:28:16 GMT -5
Again, legitimacy is earned, not given. Trump's 2016 campaign has how many jailed people now?
Also, the 2000 election margin was less than two thousand votes, no? I wasn't old enough to be politically cognizant at the time, but was the Gore campaign yelling "fraud!" 24/7 like lunatics, or were they saying "hey, this is a ridiculously tight margin that will decide the presidency, let's recount because we'd rather not lose because of a tiny mistake"?
Compare this to now where Biden's up by orders of magnitude of the difference in the 2000 election.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 18:32:09 GMT -5
It's Sweden, but you know the 2015 refugee crisis? Yeah, that Iraq war sure ended up nicely, huh? Wasn't the Syrian/ISIS war the harbinger of that crisis? FWIW, that was under Obama's watch, and the US at the time had no appetite for another Iraq/Afganistan invasion in Syria. The eradication of ISIS' territory in Iraq didn't happen until early in Trump's administration. But, I'm pretty sure much of the refugee crisis was largely perpetuated by the Syrian war and the instabilities in Northern Africa. But how has that impacted YOU? On a foreign policy matters, our chummy relationship with SA and our misadventure in Iraq has made impacts (both good and bad)in the region. But, again, how as it impacted YOU in Sweden? ...and yet, we're leading, or near at the top in reducing greenhouse gases in the world. We don't need no stinking Accord to do what we need to do.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Nov 19, 2020 18:36:37 GMT -5
Again, legitimacy is earned, not given. Trump's 2016 campaign has how many jailed people now? Irrelevant point. Trump won 2016...that's the basis of his legitimacy. Yes, it was news every day, all day long with Democrats shouting fraud. I remember it homie. It was NOT "hey let's recount because we'd rather not lose because of a tiny mistake". The Gore campaign wanted DIFFERENT criterions to consider valid votes (look up "hang chads" fiasco) for Democratic heavy counties than the rest of the state. The state courts allowed them to do this and it took the US Supreme court to slap them down. Democrat's shouted that Bush STOLE the election back then, even when it was obvious at the end that Gore lost.
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Post by steelmage99 on Nov 19, 2020 18:55:14 GMT -5
As to your last point, Dude. The media/Democrats (but I repeat myself) never gave Trump's 2016 victory any legitimacy. Have you been hiding under a big rock all this time? You mean; THE RIGHT CLAIMED, that media/Democrats refused to accept the election. Which is quite a different statement.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 18:58:27 GMT -5
It's Sweden, but you know the 2015 refugee crisis? Yeah, that Iraq war sure ended up nicely, huh? Wasn't the Syrian/ISIS war the harbinger of that crisis? FWIW, that was under Obama's watch, and the US at the time had no appetite for another Iraq/Afganistan invasion in Syria. The eradication of ISIS' territory in Iraq didn't happen until early in Trump's administration. But, I'm pretty sure much of the refugee crisis was largely perpetuated by the Syrian war and the instabilities in Northern Africa. But how has that impacted YOU? On a foreign policy matters, our chummy relationship with SA and our misadventure in Iraq has made impacts in the region. But, again, how as it impacted YOU in Sweden? ...and yet, we're leading, or near at the top in reducing greenhouse gases in the world. We don't need no stinking Accord to do what we need to do.
And the rise of ISIS was caused by disaffected Baath'ist ex-officers from which country?
As for how it has impacted me? My country's having to clean up your mess. Our far-right is on the rise because we've had to absorb over a hundred thousand refugees in 2015 alone.
There's also the fact that democracy in general is backsliding all across the world; I'd rather not have a corrupt party of madmen ruin the single most powerful democracy in the world.
Regarding Bush v. Gore, there is also a colossal difference between two challengers fighting it out in court over such ridiculously thin margins and a sitting President refusing to accept defeat. Gore at the time wasn't the head of state of the single most powerful country in the world; Trump is. Gore also wasn't shouting about the election being rigged months in advance while actively trying to dismantle the USPS's ability to process postal votes.
Which brings that up again: what's your opinion on the dismantling of the sorting machines and the actions of DeJoy in general?
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CommieCanUCK
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Nov 19, 2020 19:21:12 GMT -5
Under every recount scenario, Bush would've won Florida... ESPECIALLY under a state-wide recount. Maybe actually read your own source? Hilarious What do you mean "legitimacy"? Do you mean they said dumb shit like "Hilary won, BY A LOT!"? Or do you mean they pointed out uncomfortable truths like, Millions more Americans chose Hilary, if you look at it from a purely popular vote, or, Goddamn, the dumb orange rapist grifter (he is demonstrably all these things) said something that shows once again he has no idea how the Presidency works, or, Goddamn, the dumb orange rapist grifter is appointing his children and other assorted hangers-on to positions of power they have no business holding?
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 19:40:40 GMT -5
Remember back in 2012 whembly, when you were angry with Obama because you argued that he was lying about that movie that supposedly made religious extremists attack the embassy? How you argued that Obama was lying to give himself a better shot at re-election?
If lying in order to be re-elected in one instance is a scandal, what is repeatedly lying for at least a year before an election and then trying to overturn the results of said election? Why are you being inconsistent?
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Nov 19, 2020 19:45:28 GMT -5
But how has that impacted YOU? I can't believe I have to resort to a song to explain this to you. Also, this was posted quite a while back IIRC by Not HBMC (I think, and either way, you have yet to respond to by the way. What a coward you are.) Also, cope harder. Your tears are delicious. The GOP stole 2000 per your own source.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 19, 2020 20:02:33 GMT -5
Seconding the "have you read your own source?" since, you know...
"Media organizations[3][4][5] later analyzed the ballots and found that, under any considered criteria, the originally pursued, limited county-based recounts would have confirmed a Bush victory, whereas a state-wide recount would have revealed a Gore victory. Florida later changed to new voting machines to avoid punch cards, which had produced dimpled or hanging chads."
You did this with the climate change studies thing a while back as well.
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Post by adurot on Nov 20, 2020 2:51:12 GMT -5
But remember, it has to be on the desktop site, not mobile.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 20, 2020 7:05:30 GMT -5
Turns out precedent only matters when it's convenient, otherwise why are the Republicans still confirming judges during the lame duck period?
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Post by mikosann on Nov 20, 2020 7:09:53 GMT -5
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Post by dabbler on Nov 20, 2020 7:41:36 GMT -5
He doesn't care. His side have pretty much won the senate and will block everything, so he wins. America suffers, sure, but the enemy (his neighbours, other seppos on the internet) have lost their chance to do anything for the country. And he's happy about that
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Nov 20, 2020 8:02:55 GMT -5
Which brings up hypocrisy 45585455482964: why do the Republicans get to decide anything in the Senate? Because they're the majority. Hang on a minute...
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Post by mikosann on Nov 20, 2020 10:43:55 GMT -5
He doesn't care. His side have pretty much won the senate and will block everything, so he wins. America suffers, sure, but the enemy (his neighbours, other seppos on the internet) have lost their chance to do anything for the country. And he's happy about that See thats the thing, the same ballots that showed the GOP doing better than expected and has all the idiots crowing about maintaining the senate and gaining in the house have President Baby losing. It shows that this is truly just about Trumps ego, not dems, not fraud, not some grand imagined conspiracy. Funny how the election of Republican senators and house members wasn't a fraud, just the presidential election....Its all on the same ballots. Case fucking closed. Republicans are cheering on and enabling the end of democracy in America. Plain and simple. All for the sake of one morally bankrupt narcissist.
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