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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 4, 2019 15:51:03 GMT -5
Insulting? You dispute any of it? Or, you going to cry that I didn't cite something that I obviously didn't write? Or, you going to play wolfie's game of being a bitch about complaining about sourcing without addressing the merits of the conversation? Which is it going to be? It wasn't. The deal was an insult to all of our intelligence.
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Post by Emblematic Wolfblade on Aug 4, 2019 16:20:16 GMT -5
Yes, heaven forbid we criticize your source for being garbage. Literally, the only sources you can find are the ones that are suspect, display a clear and obvious bias, and have (at best) a fleeting relationship with the truth.
You arguing the Iran deal didn't do what it set out to do (and accomplished as verified numerous times through inspections) is laughable. You're actually denying reality so you can parrot trump's lies.
Also, one thing to note, I didn't even examine your source, I simply googled what you plagiarized word for word. You didn't even make an effort to hide it or show its source.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Aug 9, 2019 10:44:41 GMT -5
Yes. But I don't even need to explain why, BECAUSE I ALREADY DID. Instead of reading the website, comparing it to what I wrote, and writing your own answer taking into account what I previously said, you chose the lazy way of copy-pasting it all. On top of it, you took the dishonest way of pretending it was writing of your own. You are copy-pasting some text that you haven't appropriated, understood, or maybe even read for all I know. How is that respectful? How is that going to lead to some productive discussion? But sure, I guess if you got to believe the information supplied by “unitedagainstnucleariran.com” over those that are on the official website of the IAEA, go for it! Iran has the toughest inspection regime there ever was. That's a fact. Iran isn't the one and only promoter of radical Islam that you paint it as, Saudi Arabia pushes a much more extremist version, and the US are helping them, that's another fact. Iran isn't a threat to the USA, and that's another fact to you.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 12, 2019 13:11:51 GMT -5
Okay. You said your piece. We don't agree. Cool?
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Aug 12, 2019 18:05:49 GMT -5
It's pretty cool for the guy who don't suffer the consequences, and don't know anyone who will. Very very cool.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 15, 2019 19:52:43 GMT -5
It's pretty cool for the guy who don't suffer the consequences, and don't know anyone who will. Very very cool. ISWYDT. Imma drop it. Wanna discuss anything else? Like Trump's GREAT IDEA to purchase Greenland!!! /sarc...
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Aug 16, 2019 5:14:09 GMT -5
What that means? Sure. I mean, why would you care about that? Like Trump's GREAT IDEA to purchase Greenland!!! /sarc... Unless it's you telling me that you won't vote for him for pardoning Arpaio or any of the other horrible stuff he did, not really no. You'll still vote for him like a good sucker.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 16, 2019 8:39:17 GMT -5
I See What You Did There It's just that we've both said what we wanted to say. If you don't think our conversation is done... what specifically do you want discuss... besides calling me a bully? I'm still not convinced it's a good idea to ask the Danes to purchase Greenland. I mean, we could back up a massive Brink Truck and give them an offer they can't refuse... and honestly, if we're going into debt, you could do worst than buying Greenland. However, it wouldn't be anything that we'd see a lot of benefit for generations... so, meh. It only becomes an issue if China or Russia was looking into purchasing it, then it becomes a strategic rationale to tell the Danes "hey man, what they're offering? We'll top it.". Danes said they're not selling... so, it's a moot point. I'll likely be voting for Trump because outside of his tweeting habits and is stupid mouth, his administration has implemented standard GOPish policies. I can separate the man from the actual administration's policies. Democrats has literally lost my vote because they've lost their ever loving minds recently.
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Aug 16, 2019 10:51:53 GMT -5
...his administration has implemented standard GOPish policies. I can separate the man from the actual administration's policies. Pointless trade wars that are costing the USA billions? Concentration camps where cruelty is the desired result, not an unfortunate side effect? This is not 'standard' conservatism. Dems (and rational people everywhere, really) have lost their minds because it is now crystal fucking clear that the GOP will do ANYTHING to hold onto power. We're at the anger/grief stage. It will pass, probably during Nuremberg 2.0 that will start around Dec 2020
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 16, 2019 11:12:25 GMT -5
...his administration has implemented standard GOPish policies. I can separate the man from the actual administration's policies. Pointless trade wars that are costing the USA billions? Not pointless with respect to China. Tariffs is about the only thing they respond to... and we're doing okay. They're not 'concentration camps' - this is me refusing to agree to the framework of this talking point. We can discuss specific immigration polices, but you know (despite your protestation) that this rhetoric smacks of Nazi'ism. -he got NATO nations to actually live up to their obligation -moved US embassy to Jerusalem after multiple prior president promised to do so, and yet failing -Trump's actually leery of mideast wars and engagements -implemented policies that strengthened our economy (or at worst, got out of its way) -downsized the permanent bureaucracy (ie, for 1 new reg, reform/remove 2 reg)...a long standing conservative position. -tax cuts -championed more fundings for the military -and probably most consequential, more right leaning judges. Yes, in 2016 election I didn't want Trump and voted for the Stoner... that was because: a) I was convinced HRC would win handily b) I personally don't like Trump c) and more importantly, I believe Trump would "move" towards the left as a NY Democrat politician if he did win. I simply didn't trust him. Now? Seeing how his administration is a standard GOP governance, warts and all, I can see Trump solidifying his base and gain new voters via the shy/centrist GOPers. You are literally arguing how EVERY. FUCKING. POLITICAL. PARTIES. OPERATE. This isn't unique to the GOP. Just look at how black faced Virginian Governor, or Rapey Virginian AG is still in power. I mean... he Trump's many shortcomings *dose* offer Democrats a real opportunity. Yet, they seem determined to fumble it. Most candidates are sucking up to the left-wing base and arguing for huge, structural changes, everything from packing the Supreme Court to abolishing private health coverage. Their most daring ideas, such as the Green New Deal and “Medicare for All,” are recipes for fiscal apocalypse and totalizing government control. Their intolerance of dissent has made them the Party of Social Justice Church Ladies. Trump and the GOP will hammer them for that. Talk about how "the ads simply write themselves" at this point. If that’s what the Democrats have on offer in 2020, they won’t just lose conservatives and right-of-center independents. They won't regain the rust belt democrats who voted for Trump. Outside a major recession soon, Democrats will lost the election. Unless someone like Biden or Harris rebuilds the Obama coalition voters....
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 16, 2019 11:17:18 GMT -5
"Standard GOP policies" and "completely fucking bonkers" aren't mutually exclusive though.
How many acting secretaries do you have now?
Also, what the fuck "intolerance of dissent"? When the entire reason Trump is in power because a bunch of Democrats stayed at home because they didn't like Hillary? The US left is divided because of internal dissent.
Meanwhile you have Lindsay Graham going from #NeverTrump to one of his staunchest defenders just because Trump won. It's not the Democratic party that's falling into lockstep and falling in line with what the party demands.
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 16, 2019 11:43:39 GMT -5
"Standard GOP policies" and "completely fucking bonkers" aren't mutually exclusive though. Ok. Does that really matter? Means what it means. Not quite. We've had record votes in each states. Hillary lost the rustbelt states because former Obama voters chose Trump over HRC. [/div][/quote] True. Yeah. The Kavanaugh ordeal broke him. Can't say I blame him. [/div][/quote] Then you haven't been paying attention to the primaries.
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 16, 2019 11:54:52 GMT -5
Which side is saying "if you don't like it, go home!" again?
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Aug 16, 2019 12:06:28 GMT -5
Which side is saying "if you don't like it, go home!" again? And? What's wrong with that? Hell, every election we get some high profile people saying "I'm moving to Canada if 'X' wins!".
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Aug 16, 2019 13:01:12 GMT -5
Your argument was that the Democrats are the ones that do not tolerate dissent. It's not Democrats telling others that it's their way or the high way, and especially not to US citizens.
Further, the fact that the left in the US is fractured (which you agreed with) disproves the idea that the Democratic Party doesn't tolerate dissent, while Graham's 180 turn and the virtual deluge of high-profile sackings, retirements and resignations in the Trump administration suggests that the Republicans don't accept dissent within the ranks.
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