semipotentwalrus
Ye Olde King of OT
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 29, 2020 6:14:22 GMT -5
Unless it's happened multiple times (which is quite possible) it was way later than that; I limited myself to examples from this forum.
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Post by adurot on Sept 29, 2020 6:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by whemblycthulhu on Mar 16, 2021 19:12:53 GMT -5
...without treating each other like assholes? Not trying to be a dick. I'm just asking. I think it's a fair question. If no, why not? If yes, why aren't you doing it already? Oh wow... didn't know how I missed this ol' thread... Yeah, much of the acrimony spilled over from our debates from the old OT dakka threads. Just look at my first posts in that politics thread as whembly, and never had a chance. I think, also, being one of the few righty on this board it's easy for the crowd to dogpile what they view is their ideological opponent. tbf, I come back to select few posters: -walrus -cunuck -notHBMC -baron -even hatoflords, tho we don't tango much here and that's ok. I think we'd be friends personally, even though we'd rag each other mercilessly. Hell, I'd probably get along with just about anyone here... including dusa and Ouze. But wolfblade? Nah, fuck him. He's a prick.  |
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Post by easye on Mar 6, 2023 13:35:21 GMT -5
...without treating each other like assholes? Not trying to be a dick. I'm just asking. I think it's a fair question. If no, why not? If yes, why aren't you doing it already? I think we have all learned from Dakka and ETC that the answer is..... NO! |
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skyth
OT Cowboy
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Post by skyth on Mar 6, 2023 13:47:17 GMT -5
Current Republican policies seem to be intended to be cruel to other people. It's hard to not being a dick when the intent of the other party is to hurt people.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 6, 2023 14:23:16 GMT -5
Trouble for me are folks right of wing keen on “fAcTs DoN’t CaRe AbOuT yOuR fEeLiNgS” who wouldn’t know an objective fact even if it bit them on the arse, wearing a dayglo orange jumpsuit emblazoned with I’M AN OBJECTIVE FACT.
Cherry picking. Quote mining. “Alternative Facts”. Presenting evidence based on a headline and not bothering to actually read the study. Offering non-peer reviewed fringe lunatic takes. Outright making their own stuff up. Talking utter, utter bollocks.
When called out, they either ignore it, pretend you’ve not answered their question, gosh gallop or try to change the subject. Any counter evidence they do acknowledge is claimed to be fake, or biased, simply because it proves, once again, they’re talking bollocks and their position is untenable.
Oh, and of course. If more than a single poster offers counter argument and evidence? HaLp HaLp I r Be RePrEsSeD
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skyth
OT Cowboy
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Post by skyth on Mar 6, 2023 14:38:22 GMT -5
Don't forget blocking you when you call them out on their lies with the receipts to back it up...
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Mar 6, 2023 14:51:49 GMT -5
...without treating each other like assholes? Not trying to be a dick. I'm just asking. I think it's a fair question. If no, why not? If yes, why aren't you doing it already? I try. Others try. I’m not sure it’s possible collectively. Politics have become more divisive and toxic than I can ever remember them being. People feel like their ways of life or their most basic rights are under attack…and they’re right. Watching a mob riled up by already-debunked lies until they stormed the capitol looking for blood in an attempt to overturn a legitimate election…it’s really raised the stakes. Seeing people defend seditious insanity, or side with “6 million wasn’t enough” against “racism is bad”, it’s a bit beyond decency, at least to my eyes. It is increasingly difficult not to feel immediate and personal stakes when one’s “debate partner” starts spouting the same talking points that got your cousin’s synagogue shot up. I don’t have enough distance for some political discussions. (I try to stay out of them, try and often fail.) Edit: I thought this was a new thread referring to ETC. my response is geared toward that. |
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 6, 2023 15:03:03 GMT -5
Don't forget blocking you when you call them out on their lies with the receipts to back it up... Indeed. but for clarity? I by no means attribute such behaviour to people on the right wing universally. There are dishonest dickheads on the left, and reasonably competent debaters, or at least those willing to discuss in good faith on both sides. |
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skyth
OT Cowboy
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Post by skyth on Mar 6, 2023 15:05:58 GMT -5
With the rise of Fox, I find 'good faith' to be much rarer on the Republican side than the left. People on the left will actually call out other people on the left if they don't believe the other people are posting in good faith and will try to keep things fact based.
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Post by maddocgrotsnik on Mar 6, 2023 15:15:16 GMT -5
The right wing posters on ETC certainly seemed to struggle with the idea that issues may be riddled with nuance. That the world isn’t made of simple black and white morality.
Which is unfortunate.
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Post by Peregrine on Mar 6, 2023 15:16:37 GMT -5
IMO the larger problem than anything inherent about left vs. right is that the former moderate right, where there used to be a higher percentage of good-faith arguments and room for disagreement, has been abandoned by the current right and essentially been absorbed into the center left. You're never going to find good-faith discussion from a group whose starting premise is that a Jewish pedophile conspiracy runs the world and Trump, of all people, is somehow going to save us from them, defeat "woke-ism", and restore Christian values to America. Any good-faith attempt to defend that premise is going to immediately come to the conclusion that no, that's stupid, of course it doesn't work that way. So you either leave the party or you double down on the lunacy, resorting to every bad-faith argument and dishonest debating tactic you can come up with because that's all you have left. And the result is that you can have a debate between left and center-left or even left and "I'm not really political", but once you get someone who willingly identifies with the current right the chances of an honest and productive discussion drop to near-zero.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Mar 6, 2023 18:43:24 GMT -5
Poor Hordini, you are all answering a message he posted more than 2 years ago!
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Post by easye on Mar 7, 2023 10:54:18 GMT -5
Well, at least Hordini has been around ETC, so maybe he is back here too!
We might start seeing an influx on politics discussions here again now.
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Post by adurot on Mar 7, 2023 13:23:51 GMT -5
Poor Hordini, you are all answering a message he posted more than 2 years ago! To be fair, nearly every thread people are posting in are from years ago. |
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