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Post by Hordini on Sept 25, 2020 23:09:37 GMT -5
...without treating each other like assholes?
Not trying to be a dick. I'm just asking. I think it's a fair question.
If no, why not?
If yes, why aren't you doing it already?
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 26, 2020 0:31:55 GMT -5
...without treating each other like assholes? I was curious if this would happen after I noticed the tread on the Dakka OT. The short version: years of bad blood and frustration with a bad faith participant have default to open disparagement of said participant. It's easily summarized as; there's this one guy and most everyone either ignores them/hates their guts/considers them a disingenuous participant and openly treats them as such. The long version: The issue primarily revolves around one person (Whembly). There's another who gets a lot of vitriol but they're very infrequent. I'm actually not sure the last time they posted anything. I could list a long list of reasons. Others might do it. I think I'm not going to spend the time. It's not worth it. There's years of ill will toward this person specifically going back years (did I mention it's years of time this goes back? Like at least 7-8 of them) and the lack of moderation has been used to vent that ill will openly with some of it have no reservations whatsoever. This has been the case since day one more or less. It has escalated in severity over time. Despite their complaints, it isn't even really about the politics anymore. It's about him. Him specifically and the way he participates which is openly viewed as disingenuous. Of the last few years that behavior has become popping in solely when current events flare tempers up. They complain about the vitriol, but all he's done for years now is flame bait people he knows hate him and those of us who hate him mostly happily expressing such. Active disparagement can go really personal (death wishes, insults against their family, etc.). Some of us have argued against the most extreme responses, but yeah. No moderation. Maybe half the active participants openly insult them, some have simply ignored them/anything relating to them, and there's maybe one person who still gives it an honest try. Even they have bookmarks going as far back as 2014 that get linked to whenever the bad faith gets really obvious. Realistically? I do not think there will ever be civility toward them. The most that will happen is everyone just starts ignoring them entirely or he leaves forever. Whichever comes first. Or the heat death of the universe. My perspective on it here is the same as it was on Dakkadakka where this same user was also a perpetual source of incivility and ill will (basically, nothing here is really new, it's just completely without filters now); absent one apple, the barrel isn't a problem. I have no idea what would compel someone to continually return to a place where everyone hates them specifically or ignores anything relating to them. I think it's some weird martyrdom complex but psych 101 bullshit. Whatever. I've resorted to ignoring them completely as of the past week. Probably should have done that years ago, but I've been befuddled by their behavior for nearly a decade.
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Post by bobtheinquisitor on Sept 26, 2020 3:39:43 GMT -5
Without getting too far into details, the country I love is becoming a monstrous danger to the people I love. Scoff if you want, but it's clearly happening. And here is one of the "good Germans" or even willing executioners gloating about it.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Sept 26, 2020 16:55:50 GMT -5
...without treating each other like assholes? In general? Yes. With Whembly? Doubtful. 'cause he is despicable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 19:38:15 GMT -5
He comes in, spews bullshit, and gets nasty when called on it.
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Post by Disciple of Fate on Sept 26, 2020 20:40:55 GMT -5
I think its hard to have actual discussions when there can't even be agreement on what constitutes objective reality. Alternative interpretation ok, you have room to argue there. But look at the journalism exchange with Walrus that was exceptionally well documented by world media.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 27, 2020 0:29:33 GMT -5
Whoops. Wrong thread. Mah bad XD
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Post by CommieCanUCK on Sept 28, 2020 14:07:28 GMT -5
I guarantee the "I'm glad your dad is dead" bullshit was screenshot and shared in his alt-reich echo chambers as evidence of how the communists are the real deplorables, and also to garner the rarest of fascist brownie points: genuine victimhood.
And TBH, he'd kinda have a point. Call an ignorant cunt an ignorant cunt all day long if that floats your boat. But FFS, don't revel in the death of an ignorant cunt's family. You have NO IDEA if his dad is a card carrying bootlicker like his son, or what. Maybe his dad was a decent progressive thinker, and this is his teenage rebellion gone awry.
"Going low" is shitty, ignorant behaviour, and pointless and beneath you, and does nothing other than stroke your lizard brain, and further entrench his "I'm the real victim here" mindset.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 28, 2020 15:02:40 GMT -5
Look I’m just going to ask, can we not just get rid of them? The rest of us actually get on quite well. For example me and walrus, long term enemies, even came to an understanding and are now cordial. We’ll all still fight and argue but only that one poster is actively maliciously sabotaging the place.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Sept 28, 2020 15:04:30 GMT -5
Last time his account was deleted, he just created a new one. Did I mention who deleted his account? He did, lol.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 28, 2020 15:27:32 GMT -5
Then just delete him again. And again and again.
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Post by Least censored on the planet! on Sept 28, 2020 15:31:59 GMT -5
I can't. He can. You can tell him to delete his account . Maybe Hordinosaurus can do it too but he hasn't so far.
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Post by futurewarcultist on Sept 28, 2020 15:48:17 GMT -5
That’s what I was hinting at lol
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semipotentwalrus
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Post by semipotentwalrus on Sept 28, 2020 16:26:12 GMT -5
Futurewarcultist makes a valid point: there's evidence that dialogue is possible, but it requires both sides of the debate to be acting in good faith.
Remember that one time whembly linked a bajillion sites to support his argument that scientists didn't back anthropigenic climate change and had to admit that he hadn't actually read them after I pointed out a bunch of them argued the opposite of what he said (including one which poked fun at the very thing he was doing!)?
Remember the one time we spent page upon page explaining how "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" actually meant exactly what it says?
Remember how many times we've explained the difference between separating immigrant families as a last resort and as a matter of policy?
Remember the considerable effort we put into explaining that yes, the Southern Strategy was a thing, including fucking primary sources in the form of Lee Atwater's voice, only for whembly to keep parroting the line about "The South swinging towards voting for personal responsibility and economics" and what not, i.e. the very dogwhistles Atwater described?
Just recently, remember when whembly argued that US police purposely targeting the press was just "bias" despite it being extensively covered by the most respected media institutions on the globe, including Reuters and the BBC?
These are not the hallmarks of an actor arguing in good faith.
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Post by hatoflords on Sept 28, 2020 21:58:06 GMT -5
Futurewarcultist makes a valid point: there's evidence that dialogue is possible, but it requires both sides of the debate to be acting in good faith. Remember that one time whembly linked a bajillion sites to support his argument that scientists didn't back anthropigenic climate change and had to admit that he hadn't actually read them after I pointed out a bunch of them argued the opposite of what he said (including one which poked fun at the very thing he was doing!)? I remember this and did the same as you. I directly quoted from studies I picked at random, none of with purported the position whoever put them on that blog said they said. The only way to think they did was to A) have zero reading comprehension, B) not bothering reading and take random people on the internet at their word, or C) know it's all bullshit and not care because sOmEoNe Is WrOnG oN tHe InTeRnEt or whatever internet nonsense floats your boat.
This was basically the moment I stopped believing there was any point in trying and that happened I want to say in 2013-2014?
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